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Wed Sept 27 2006, 10:33PM

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I've never had much experience on this topic, but recently while working with a new group of people at work have come across several highly intelligent individuals who hold weekly meetings at work on the subject of creationism. Now I have nothing against people with different beliefs than myself, but I just find it strongly perplexing to how people so well schooled in engineering and science could have beliefs so embedded in creationism that they truly believe the Earth is only 20,000 years old?

Eric

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There are many different flavors of creationism, are you sure they believe in the 20K year old earth thing?

As an educated person you'd have to ignore alot of geology to get there...

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Yes, they did believe in the 20,000 year thing. I did debate it with them briefly, but their defense was that carbon dating wasn't accurate and is based on the assumption of linear decay. I could understand this coming from the average person, but coming from the mouths of highly intelligent individuals, both of whom hold Master degrees in engineering, quite perplexing.

I can definitely see how this whole evolution vs. creationism debate can get quite hot (as it has been).

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Thu Sept 28 2006, 01:10AM

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Just a benign question EVR. What's wrong with that theory?

Personally, if this topic doesn't get out of hand, I like these discussions.

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Thu Sept 28 2006, 01:26AM

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Do they also think our entire gene pool comes from one man and woman?

I don't understand the thought process either. Another example: when the tsunami struck and a boatload of people were saved due to the quick thinking of one person, God saved them; however, God seemed to forget about the other 169,752 people who were killed. One is a miracle; the other unfortunate.

Chris Russell

Thu Sept 28 2006, 01:46AM

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The last time we had a discussion like this, it resulted in a lot of arguing and not much else in the way of intelligent discussion. Most people have already reached a conclusion on this subject one way or the other, and aren't going to change their minds.

I will lock this thread in 24 hours, so speak your piece and be done with it. Locking will occur much sooner if things get out of hand.

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I realize that whatever I do, it is going to sound like I am arguing, however, here are a couple interesting facts... I guess some people CHOOSE to believe that it wasn't all evolution (like me) I was looking around, and found a couple sites that had some interesting data on carbon dating, and found this:
"When the blood of a seal freshly killed at McMurdo Sound in the Antarctic was tested by Carbon-14, it showed the seal had died 1,300 years ago." Antarctic Journal, Vol.6 - (1971) p.211
The illustrated Origins Answer Book p.60

I don't mean to start an argument or anything, but it clearly seems that there is something not quite working in dating that sample....

Another quickie to throw in:

The Bible dates the flood as taking place some 4,400 years ago. Let us use the lowest growth rate and the average growth rate and see how long it would take to reach the present world population from eight people.

The lowest growth rate (0.43%) gives a time-span of 4,738 years.
The average growth rate (0.87%) gives a time-span of only 2,347 years.

The lowest recorded growth rate we have for Western Europe is 0.377%. Let us imagine that mankind (Homo sapien) has been around for say, 50,000 years; a figure that is just a fraction of the time evolutionists claim. Using this 0.377% figure, after 50,000 years the world would be a staggering 10^82

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Thu Sept 28 2006, 02:44AM

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I think this video explains it all . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HADurUKhH-w

AndrewM

Thu Sept 28 2006, 02:49AM

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"When the blood of a seal freshly killed at McMurdo Sound in the Antarctic was tested by Carbon-14, it showed the seal had died 1,300 years ago." Antarctic Journal, Vol.6 - (1971) p.211
The illustrated Origins Answer Book p.60

I don't mean to start an argument or anything, but it clearly seems that there is something not quite working in dating that sample....

you won't start any arguments with "science" that bad. the margin of error is carbon dating is several thousand years. even if you're off by 2000 years, when the sample dates to 60million years old you still don't come up with 20,000

EDY19

Thu Sept 28 2006, 02:56AM

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The guy in that video makes me think of a caveman, but maybe that is what he is going for

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