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Graham Armitage
Thu Jul 10 2014, 01:25AM Print
Graham Armitage Registered Member #6038 Joined: Mon Aug 06 2012, 11:31AM
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I wanted to run a power source config past the experts. Using caps I already have I hoped that I could create the voltage doubler with smaller electrolytics and use the quality RIFA tightly mounted to the IGBT. I think this configuration works but would welcome any thoughts or concerns before I build it.

C1 and C2 are Cornell-Dublier 1000uF/200V electrolytics in parallel to give 2000uF at 200v across each branch of the doubler and to provide smoothing. The RIFA 3400uF will then provide the reservoir for pulse discharge and additional smoothing.

Supply

1404955299 6038 FT0 Caps1


Input current draw should be less than 15A for this coil - the rectifier is rated for 35A.
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Steve Ward
Thu Jul 10 2014, 06:09AM
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Should work fine.
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Graham Armitage
Thu Jul 10 2014, 01:26PM
Graham Armitage Registered Member #6038 Joined: Mon Aug 06 2012, 11:31AM
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I couldn't ask for more expert opinion than that. No offense to all the other experts !

Thanks Steve
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Dr. Dark Current
Thu Jul 10 2014, 06:54PM
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Just make sure the doubler caps are rated for the rms input current (consider power factor). Other than that, there are no more problems.
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Graham Armitage
Fri Jul 11 2014, 11:03AM
Graham Armitage Registered Member #6038 Joined: Mon Aug 06 2012, 11:31AM
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I can't find anything on RMS current rating (just voltage). The specs I have only show ripple current of 2.8A for each cap. Link2
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Steve Conner
Fri Jul 11 2014, 11:53AM
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Well, with 15A RMS input you are putting 10.6A RMS through each branch of the doubler, thus 5.3A RMS in each individual capacitor.

That's almost twice the datasheet ripple current rating (which is RMS) but for intermittent duty in a Tesla coil, you should get away with it easily. The datasheet rating allows the cap to pass that current continuously in a high ambient temperature for something like 2000 hours before it dries out.
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Graham Armitage
Fri Jul 11 2014, 11:58AM
Graham Armitage Registered Member #6038 Joined: Mon Aug 06 2012, 11:31AM
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ok - that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I will give it a try and if I let the smoke out I will get some better caps smile
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Jul 11 2014, 01:05PM
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I would also add some bleeders across the capacitors which will act as balancing resistors as well, but argubly not required.

But the bleeders are important for safety. I usually size mine to be able to discharge the full stack in 5 minutes. This is usually just a 20k, 5W resistor across each capacitor for a 340VDC total bus voltage.
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Graham Armitage
Fri Jul 11 2014, 01:11PM
Graham Armitage Registered Member #6038 Joined: Mon Aug 06 2012, 11:31AM
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Absolutely agree. I followed that from your minibrute design I built and it's great to know that those caps are discharging when you power down. It's an essential safety feature IMO. If I remember correctly I used 10W/6k resistors for the minibrute coil and that worked well too.
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Antonio
Fri Jul 11 2014, 01:15PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Put LEDs in series with the bleeding resistors. You can then see if it's safe to touch the circuit and if it is working correctly.
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