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Strange AC discharge with DC input on a MOT

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Tigeris
Sat Jun 28 2014, 03:12AM Print
Tigeris Registered Member #1656 Joined: Wed Aug 27 2008, 03:28PM
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Hey all. I was playing around with a MOT running a 12vdc line to the primary to make a powerful electromagnet. Just low amperage from my power supply. Anyways, there are three coils. The primary, secondary, and a third coil that just under the secondary, but insulated with a clothish cover. I put current to the two wires coming out from the third coil (12vdc at 4-6amps). When I apply voltage to it, high voltage AC current comes out of the secondary. Enough to light up a neon sign. I'm just wondering....why is this happening. I didn't think DC current worked that way. Here is a video to show what is happening. Link2

Thanks all for any information you can supply me :)
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kimbomba
Sat Jun 28 2014, 04:27AM
kimbomba Registered Member #3854 Joined: Fri Apr 29 2011, 03:45AM
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I can olny think of a really bad DC supply with lots of ripple...
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Sulaiman
Sat Jun 28 2014, 04:49AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Because your power supply didn't die,
I assume there is some sort of short-circuit protection built in,
so it is probably causing current pulses in the winding
(which is only a few turns, meant to power a filament).
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ZakWolf
Sat Jun 28 2014, 07:30AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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this is just pulsed DC which acts like dc. you can do this by running a wall wart transfomer backwards with a 9v and a nail file. It make "AC" out of DC current.
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Tigeris
Sat Jun 28 2014, 10:31PM
Tigeris Registered Member #1656 Joined: Wed Aug 27 2008, 03:28PM
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Ohhhh. That would make since. Thank you all so much for the help and info! It was something that was stumping me for a while.
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Alex M
Sat Jun 28 2014, 10:54PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Does it go away if you put a resistor in series with the coil you are connecting to the power supply? maybe a power resistor of a few ohms to limit the current to something under the power supply's maximum output current.

If it goes away then it will be the current limiting like Sulaiman said, if not then it will probably be caused by high ripple voltage like kimbomba posted.

If it is ripple causing it then put a large electrolytic capacitor of a few thousand uF onto the output of the power supply to smooth out the ripple.

Other than that maybe this will become a thing now, using a high ripple supply as a quick way to drive MOT's!
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dexter
Sun Jun 29 2014, 12:11AM
dexter Registered Member #42796 Joined: Mon Jan 13 2014, 06:34PM
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Other than that maybe this will become a thing now, using a high ripple supply as a quick way to drive MOT's!

something like this for double the line frequency?

1404000662 42796 FT164237 Dc Mot
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Dragon64
Sun Jun 29 2014, 03:57PM
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jun 29 2014, 04:07PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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dexter wrote ...

something like this for double the line frequency?

1404000662 42796 FT164237 Dc Mot


Lol, this will not work in any way. With the cap in place it will just charge to the peak input voltage and do nothing. If it is removed, the primary winding of the MOT will be saturated by DC voltage and trip the breaker.
You guys should really learn some circuit / component basics smile
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Alex M
Sun Jun 29 2014, 08:42PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

You guys should really learn some circuit / component basics smile

I meant the part about it becoming a thing as a joke shades
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