Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 79
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
dan (37)
rchydro (64)
CapRack (30)


Next birthdays
11/07 Dave Marshall (40)
11/07 Worms (46)
11/08 Bert (77)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Science and Electronics
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Joule thief. Can I convert this to PNP from NPN entirely + switch polarity? (I am ordering parts.)

Move Thread LAN_403
tarakan2
Mon Jun 09 2014, 06:24AM Print
tarakan2 Registered Member #3859 Joined: Sun May 01 2011, 03:47PM
Location:
Posts: 179
JRC11 23 2012
Link2
The second circuit.

Can I replace both NPN transistors 2N3055 with a MJ29055 PNP transistor and a 2N2222 with an old germanium transistor?

I want to do this in order to reduce the minimum start voltage of the Joule Thief. The emitter-base Voltage of a germanium transistor is 0.4V or less.
Germanium transistors are obsolete but they make sense in Joule Thieves.
Is there a Germanium transistor that has a specially low Veb?
(I will buy an old Germanium transistor on Ebay for this circuit for around $7. NTE27 is a very expensive.)

Would it make sense to add a tap to the secondary of this circuit for the feedback?
Back to top
Steve Conner
Mon Jun 09 2014, 09:40AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 6706
It should work fine. The only issue is that most older germanium transistors are very slow with a ft in the hundreds of kHz. I don't know of any fast ones that can handle significant power.
Back to top
BigBad
Mon Jun 09 2014, 02:46PM
BigBad Registered Member #2529 Joined: Thu Dec 10 2009, 02:43AM
Location:
Posts: 600
what does the magnet do?
Back to top
tarakan2
Mon Jun 09 2014, 05:41PM
tarakan2 Registered Member #3859 Joined: Sun May 01 2011, 03:47PM
Location:
Posts: 179
Link2
I found one but I will abandon this idea because the collector current of this transistor is so small that I will burn it by driving the MJ29055 with it.
Back to top
Sulaiman
Mon Jun 09 2014, 06:39PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
if your intention is to light the led with the signal/antenna power
you will probably have more success with a simple bridge rectifier with small output capacitor.

with a simple dipole and 4x 1N4148 I can light an led at several meters using my 144 MHz handheld.
I didn't have them at the time but if I do it again I'd use 1N5711, lower voltage, faster, and in my stock.

A typical random length wire receiving antenna would have a fairly high source impedance,
I think that it would be more suitable for a simple bridge rectifier than a 'joule thief'

Link2 have lots of 'Energy Harvesting' solutions, e.g Link2
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.