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Ash Small
Sat Apr 12 2014, 01:28PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Artlav wrote ...


So, what am a doing wrong here?


Possibly the 10M resistors?
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Sulaiman
Sat Apr 12 2014, 01:31PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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What is the purpose of the 10 MOhm resistors between anodes and transformer primary ?
(1 mA x 10 MOhm = 10 kV !
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Artlav
Sat Apr 12 2014, 04:41PM
Artlav Registered Member #8120 Joined: Thu Nov 15 2012, 06:06PM
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Resistors to limit current, bad idea?
Removed them, no effect.
Checked everything, and turns out one of the tubes had bad connection on the heater.
With that fixed, i'm getting about 1.5V unloaded output with tiny current, at 1KV input...

So i decided to go for broke, and pulled out the flyback.

At 20KV input voltage i am getting 350V out unloaded.
The current, unfortunately, is tiny.
140V at 1M load, 25V at 100k load.
Or, 0.01W out.

The highest efficiency is at about 140KHz, going down both at 80, 260, and 23 KHz.
Added a couple more turns to the secondary, and am getting 36V at 100K load.

I suspect that you'll need to design the transformer properly for the task.
Adding a gap reduces output significantly.
So, more primary turns.
Much more, if the input currents are to be in the low mA range.
But i'm not willing to make a multi-turn HV coil just to test it out...

Anyway, i guess this is a proof of concept?
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Steve Conner
Mon Apr 14 2014, 11:36AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Marko has built a nice half-bridge converter using TV sweep tubes, with wireless filament power for the high side. It seemed to work well with several kV input.
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Apr 16 2014, 11:52AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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A noisy, lossy and simple approach could be a DC RSGTC-like arrangement, except the secondary coil would have less turns than the primary coil. Or replace the air core transformer with a ferrite or iron core one.
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GammaRay
Fri Apr 18 2014, 04:25PM
GammaRay Registered Member #5323 Joined: Fri Jun 15 2012, 02:14PM
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Revisiting the configuration of using a spark gap (or gas-filled spark arrestor) as the HV switch connected through a MOT to step down the HV to LV.

Question: Considering the difficulty in locating a semiconductor HV switch that can handle these extreme high voltages, would using a spark gap as the HV switch be the next reasonable choice? Or am I wasting most of the system's energy in the spark as heat, light, EMP, gamma ray, noise?
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Antonio
Sat Apr 19 2014, 01:49AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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A spark gap can be used as switch in a buck converter in a situation where something charges a capacitor to high voltage and the converter is used to transfer all the energy in this capacitor to another at low voltage, discharging it completely. You need then just a diode and an inductor capable of sustaining the full voltage and a load capacitor big enough to receive the total energy. The gap would spark when the first capacitor reaches enough voltage, and conduct until the current ceases. A diode in series with the inductor may be added to avoid any energy return, and a resistor in parallel with the inductor may be added to guarantee a minimum current for the initial spark. The losses in this situation may be moderate.
If the source is a voltage source the switch would have to be turned off periodically, and there is no way to turn off a spark gap.
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