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Alex M
Sat Mar 08 2014, 07:12AM Print
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Hi all,

I need to wind a transformer that will be driven with a ZVS driver but its been a while since I have done this sort of thing, so I have naturally forgotten much about winding custom transformers.

I need about 1kV out and will be putting 48v in with the basic 10 turn center tapped primary coil.

How many secondary turns would I need to wind to get close to the 1kV target?

Thanks.
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Sulaiman
Sat Mar 08 2014, 07:23AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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assuming 48 Vdc, the theoretical primary voltage will be 48 x pi = 150 Vpk
with a 10 turn primary that's 15 Vpk per turn
so for 1000 Vpk you need 1000/15 = 66.66 turns secondary,
or for 1 kVrms use 94.27 turns.

since it is unlikely that you will achieve the theoretical performance
you will need more turns than the above ... 70 turns for 1 kVpk?
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Alex M
Sat Mar 08 2014, 07:37AM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Thanks Sulaiman!

I was having a complete mental block before but that explains it perfectly.

Edit: I have one more question, on Uzzors website he has a page about transformer building Link2 and mentions about number of turns, but he doesn't show how he made that calculation.

"I used 500 secondary turns in my transformer and 14 primary turns. Driven from my half-bridge this should give 5kV out".

Does anyone know how he calculated this? I can't seem to apply Sulaimans answer to Uzzors calculations.

He is using the rectified mains of 340vdc and halfbridge btw.
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Sulaiman
Sat Mar 08 2014, 11:04AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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from the page pointed to :
"An important note: I used 500 secondary turns in my transformer and 14 primary turns. Driven from my half-bridge this should give 5kV out, but it gave 10kV"

Uzzors2k design used the self-resonance of the secondary inductance with self-and external capacitance to achieve a higher output than the pri:sec turns ratio would suggest.

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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Mar 08 2014, 11:19AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The peak output from a HV trasformer driven by a square wave is always higher than the turns ratio, because the leakage inductance "rings" with the secondary coil's capacitance. It is the same mechanism which causes unwanted ringing on gates of your FETs/IGBTs driven from a GDT, only the damping factor of the HV transformer is much lower.
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Alex M
Sat Mar 08 2014, 07:04PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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@Sulaiman
@Dr. Dark Current

Oh I know that it is the parasitic ringing that caused his final 10kV output voltage.

I was just wondering what calculations he would have used to reach his initial 500 secondary turns. Or if he just chose 500 turns at random.
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