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ZakWolf
Mon Mar 03 2014, 12:06AM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Hey all, I built Steve Wards SSTC 5 mini a while back with good success but accidentally broke it an every since then have been rebuilding it to no avail.

I rebuilt the driver on a small bread board and i am getting an output. when it is connected to the bridge i can hear a clicking sound which im pretty sure is the GDT. The issue now is that the FET's are not switching.

If the GDT is receiving and output from the driver but the bridge is not switching on does that mean my fets are dead ?

sorry i dont have a scope :( Also i think i may have a bad 74hc chip. Would that also cause an issue with the bridge? I mean in terms of switching not actually running correctly ie. sparks)

New parts are on there way, Thanks
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Sigurthr
Mon Mar 03 2014, 01:10AM
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If the 74HC14 chip is bad then it will either output HIGH constant or LOW constant, either one will cause the UCC chips to do similar, which means there will be no ticking of the GDT. So, if your GDT is ticking (magnetostriction of the windings) you can assume the 74 and UCC chips are fine unless the ticking is at the frequency of your interrupter (if one is used).

A way to check this is pull the enable pins of the UCC chips high to the 5V rail with a resistor (100 to 100k ohms) and then apply a test signal at the antenna (if you are ungrounded you can touch it with your finger and usually mains hum will provide your test signal). Then just listen for ticking, if you hear it, then your logic section and mosfet drive section are fine.

At this point if the above test is a pass then you need to look at your bridge. Power off the driver and check the resistance between the two DC bus rails. Remember that if the bus caps are discharged it will look like a short initially and then climb to a high resistance. If bleeder resistors are used across the bus caps then this is the resistance you should see in the end. If this is a short circuit then you either have a wiring problem or one or more of the bridge components is bad. You'll need to disassemble the bridge to diagnose further, but the standard procedure is to check for continuity between Gate and Source and then Drain and Source of the FETs, both should read as a capacitor reads; high resistance or open. Note that you need to discharge the Gate-Source capacitance by shorting these terminals momentarily in order to check the Drain-Source resistance.

If the FETs check out ok it is good to test the gate protection zeners to make sure they have not failed short. Then check the gate resistors to make sure they are not open circuit. Finally check the bridge rectifier feeding the bridge to make sure it functions properly.

If you still don't get output you need to check the phasing of your GDT and primary (change one at a time).

Finally, you'll need to check that feedback is being received and that a starting pulse from either noise (if running CW) or your interrupter is initiating oscillation.
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ZakWolf
Mon Mar 03 2014, 01:34AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Sigurthr wrote ...

If the 74HC14 chip is bad then it will either output HIGH constant or LOW constant, either one will cause the UCC chips to do similar, which means there will be no ticking of the GDT. So, if your GDT is ticking (magnetostriction of the windings) you can assume the 74 and UCC chips are fine unless the ticking is at the frequency of your interrupter (if one is used).

A way to check this is pull the enable pins of the UCC chips high to the 5V rail with a resistor (100 to 100k ohms) and then apply a test signal at the antenna (if you are ungrounded you can touch it with your finger and usually mains hum will provide your test signal). Then just listen for ticking, if you hear it, then your logic section and mosfet drive section are fine.

At this point if the above test is a pass then you need to look at your bridge. Power off the driver and check the resistance between the two DC bus rails. Remember that if the bus caps are discharged it will look like a short initially and then climb to a high resistance. If bleeder resistors are used across the bus caps then this is the resistance you should see in the end. If this is a short circuit then you either have a wiring problem or one or more of the bridge components is bad. You'll need to disassemble the bridge to diagnose further, but the standard procedure is to check for continuity between Gate and Source and then Drain and Source of the FETs, both should read as a capacitor reads; high resistance or open. Note that you need to discharge the Gate-Source capacitance by shorting these terminals momentarily in order to check the Drain-Source resistance.

If the FETs check out ok it is good to test the gate protection zeners to make sure they have not failed short. Then check the gate resistors to make sure they are not open circuit. Finally check the bridge rectifier feeding the bridge to make sure it functions properly.

If you still don't get output you need to check the phasing of your GDT and primary (change one at a time).

Finally, you'll need to check that feedback is being received and that a starting pulse from either noise (if running CW) or your interrupter is initiating oscillation.

Awesome!

thanks thats exactly what I was looking for
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Mads Barnkob
Mon Mar 03 2014, 06:17AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Be sure to check your gate resistors too, they can fail open in a sstc.
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ZakWolf
Thu Mar 06 2014, 04:00AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Mads Barnkob wrote ...

Be sure to check your gate resistors too, they can fail open in a sstc.
you mean the 5 ohm resistors? I think they failed once before
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Mads Barnkob
Thu Mar 06 2014, 10:03AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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ZakWolf wrote ...

Mads Barnkob wrote ...

Be sure to check your gate resistors too, they can fail open in a sstc.
you mean the 5 ohm resistors? I think they failed once before

Yes, the gate resistors are R3 and R4, both 5R. You can however use 4R7 to 10R if you do not have the specific value.
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Sigurthr
Fri Mar 07 2014, 01:21AM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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I've had good results with 2R7 for high f0 coils using high Ciss FETs as well.
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ZakWolf
Fri Mar 07 2014, 10:32AM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Alright replaced the 74hc chip, blew the bridge once cause im forgetful :( fixed it up... it works

I have been waiting along time to fix this sstc and finally i can tune it and box it up.

Any suggestions on tunning antenna length ?


Thanks for he help Guys !!
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Mads Barnkob
Fri Mar 07 2014, 01:45PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
Location: Denmark, Odense C
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You can look at the different pictures here in the article, thats about where I had the best performance with antenna position: Link2

If you look closely in the video at 1:00 you can see a little corona/spark on top of the antenna when the coil is pushed hard.

So place it somewhere between good performance and minimal spark from the antenna :D
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ZakWolf
Fri Mar 07 2014, 08:24PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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so i was testing in today, setup is:

Top load 7"dia x 1" foam disk
4 primary turns
mains 120v
slow rep-rate

I turned it on after powering it down for some adjustments when i switched it back on the right 5ohm resistor popped and smoked... how come ? and would that fry anything else like the fets ?

also can i start the interrupter and the bridge at the same time ? I usually don't but i did this time and it popped so do i need to have the interrupter running before i power on the bridge ?
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