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Ferrite transfomer what do you varables do you use for a core

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Ash Small
Fri Jan 31 2014, 11:49AM
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Here is the EPCOS ferrite data book. Page 6 gives a summary of properties of various ferrites, and states that N27 is good for 25-150kHz and N87 is good for 25-500kHz. Other app. notes state up to 100kHz for N27 and 50-500kHz for N87. Plenty of info in this book, though:


]data_book_-_ferrites__accessories.pdf[/file]

(EDIT: as a general rule, N27 is used up to ~100kHz and N87 from ~100-500kHz)
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Antonio
Fri Jan 31 2014, 03:35PM
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The schematic does not make sense. A 12 V (V2) source is connected in a strange position, other connections are also strange, the transformers are ideal, capacitors and resistors are too big. I suggest simulating small sections first, making sure that they do what you want before trying to simulate a complete circuit, what results in a difficult puzzle to find what is wrong. (The same applies to actual circuit construction.)
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Andy
Fri Jan 31 2014, 06:42PM
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Antonio
Sat Feb 01 2014, 01:46AM
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Andy wrote ...

Hi Antonio
Why is V2 in a strange place?, I know the transformer is ideal, making it not the circuit work but the pulses aren't square(I'm happy with that). I've rebuilt the circuit with smaller resistors, 100ohm, but are the capacitors meant to be smaller than 100nF?
V2 is forcing the input of the 4009 (obsolete part) to high level. The crystal oscillator seems incorrect anyway. The upper part of the circuit looks totally confuse...
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Andy
Sat Feb 01 2014, 03:11AM
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Mattski
Sat Feb 01 2014, 06:06AM
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What is the goal of this circuit, simply to upconvert 12V to a higher voltage? To drive what kind of load?

Why the crystal oscillator? Seems like a 555 would be simple and easy unless you need the frequency accuracy.

When scoping out a simulation of a circuit like this it's also good to scope out the gate drive and drain current waveforms. Push pull topologies like this I know are also susceptible to transformer flux walking since the waveforms on the two primary won't be identical, not sure how big an issue it will or will not be in practice.

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If for 1kw I'll need 1.7mhz,
If you drive your transformer at 1.7 milli-Hertz you better have a really large core ;)
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Andy
Sat Feb 01 2014, 10:17PM
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Antonio
Sat Feb 01 2014, 11:24PM
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The oscillator circuit is incorrect. The usual configuration has just one inverter, not two.
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Probably there is no oscillation, and the mosfets are conducting continuously.
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Andy
Sun Feb 02 2014, 12:03AM
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Antonio
Sun Feb 02 2014, 01:07AM
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C4 and V1 don't have any function connected in this way. The capacitors are too large, and the resistor possibly too small. Look at the design in the site in the link that I sent, that shows C1 and C2 in the pF range, and another resistor. Did you connect the power pins of the inverter chip? Make it sure first that the oscillator alone is working, in the simulated and built versions. To verify if oscillation is present, use the multimeter in AC, but with a capacitor in series to eliminate any DC voltage. Otherwise use only the DC ranges.
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