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Sat Dec 14 2013, 04:01PM Print
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Just a quick question on cascaded current transformer design.

I'm having some quality issues with the company that built some of my custom cascaded current transformers. The issue is that the loop that connects the two transformers is about 1" long (you can pull the loop 1" above the cores) and not tight against the cores.

Do you think this could pose a serious problem with the performance of the CT, or could it just be ignored for now and just mostly cosmetic in nature?

If schedule wasn't an issue, I would send them back have the vendor rework them, but with such a tight schedule, I need to either decide to keep them as is, even if they don't "look as nice", or spend the time to rework them myself.

Any comments or advice appreciated!
Thanks again


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Sulaiman
Sat Dec 14 2013, 04:22PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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A 'typical' current transformer has a single conductor through the centre of the aperture,

from memory of your design, I doubt that it will matter, shouldn't in simple theory,
consider it an opportunity for increased galvanic isolation.

The only way to be sure is to build one though, the unexpected is always lurking....
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Mads Barnkob
Sat Dec 14 2013, 06:20PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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I do not think you have to worry about a little extra wire that results in a more loose coupling.

I remembered reading about some tests done with loose coupling in GDTs, I hope this will help you: Link2
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Sat Dec 14 2013, 08:35PM
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Thanks guys. That does make sense.
Thanks for the link Mads Barnkob! I will check it out.
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Dr. Slack
Fri Dec 20 2013, 08:56PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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First some upper and lower bounds

If the core had unit permeability, then the position of the wire is the *only* thing that affects the coupling.
If the core had infinite permeability, then the position of the wire is totally irrelevant.

So ...

For huge but finite permeability, there will be a tiny effect. For a first hand-waving approximation, if the core is ur = 2000, then you might expect an upper bound on the change of sensitivity of 1/ur, 0.05% for iron at 2000, say if you move the wire from one side of the core to the other. Changing the size of a loop will have less effect than that. Going from one core-symmetric arrangement to another one of the same size will have no effect (so you might use several turns on each core equally spaced round the toroid to approximate to this).

If your accuracy/repeatability is larger than 1/ur, then you should be OK. Approaching that, you might want to do some careful testing.
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Sun Dec 22 2013, 02:50PM
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Thanks Dr. Slack.
That is good info and a very good way of looking at the problem. Thanks much!
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