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Flattening FR4

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dude_500
Sun Dec 01 2013, 05:27PM Print
dude_500 Registered Member #2288 Joined: Wed Aug 12 2009, 10:42PM
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I'm working on a project that needs some DIY circuit boards to be extremely flat, and my stock has a bit of warp to it. I've found industry documentation saying that a 50psi press at 350F heating for a few hours would do the trick, but I do not have access to such a tool. Has anyone tried doing this in an oven with some flat metal plates?
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Patrick
Sun Dec 01 2013, 08:20PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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is there anything stiff and flat you can epoxy to the un-populated side of the board? i dont know of any relible method for flattening boards that are not presently flat enough. epoxy generally doest like to alter its shape from mere heat and coercion.
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Dr. Slack
Sun Dec 01 2013, 09:31PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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Attaching something to one side of the board is a receipe for problems, an unbalanced board will be guarranteed thermally unstable.

FR4 can be persuaded to change its shape with a bit of heat and bending. Just increase the oven temperature steadily and see what happens. You may benefit from manually bending the board back a bit too far, then letting it relax between flat plates.

However, first questions

1) how big is the board?
2) is it balanced, in terms of copper layers?
3) How flat is extremely? FR4 is considered flat if it's within a tolerance. Check with suppliers for their specs. You can't expect long term stability better than that.
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dude_500
Fri Dec 06 2013, 06:30AM
dude_500 Registered Member #2288 Joined: Wed Aug 12 2009, 10:42PM
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The board is 100% copper covered, single sided, so it is perfectly balanced. Size is about 4" x 5". It has several thousand holes drilled in it. I was hoping to do better than the stock tolerance, but I guess if it won't have long term stability, I'll just live with what I've got which really isn't that bad.

Can't really put a number on the flatness I need, just the flatter the better!
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Dr. Slack
Fri Dec 06 2013, 07:09AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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dude_500 wrote ...

The board is 100% copper covered, single sided, so it is perfectly balanced. Size is about 4" x 5".

If it's single-sided, it's as unbalanced as it can possibly be. Double-sided would be balanced. The thermal coefficient of expansion for copper and epoxy glass are different, so copper on one side and not on the other is a recipe for changing curvature with temperature.
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Dec 06 2013, 08:36AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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These days it is easier to use a thin board bonded to an aluminum or ceramic base.
Indeed, most high powered LEDs already use the method.
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