Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 100
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
dan (37)
rchydro (64)
CapRack (30)


Next birthdays
11/07 Dave Marshall (40)
11/07 Worms (46)
11/08 Bert (77)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Science and Electronics
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Measuring drsstc primary current, please educate me

Move Thread LAN_403
Hartstart
Tue Nov 26 2013, 09:14AM Print
Hartstart Registered Member #2616 Joined: Sun Jan 10 2010, 01:00PM
Location:
Posts: 12
Hi!

If I have scope shot like this:
1385456316 2616 FT0 Img 5238


When speaking about drsstc primary current, is this 260Apk or 520Apk if we assume 100A/Div
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Nov 26 2013, 04:33PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
it looks to me like it swings between -260 ish, and +260 ish Amps. it spans 520 amps. what else do you want to know? you can use RMS to figure out the rest.
Back to top
Hartstart
Tue Nov 26 2013, 06:15PM
Hartstart Registered Member #2616 Joined: Sun Jan 10 2010, 01:00PM
Location:
Posts: 12
Reason why I was asking is because i got confused about the way people set their over current detection.

This signal gets rectified and fed into a comparator. Then you have roughly half of the full swing so if I have 1:1000 current sensor and 5ohm load I have to set my comparator to trigger at 1.25V to get 500A limit?
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Nov 26 2013, 08:02PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
Hartstart wrote ...

Reason why I was asking is because i got confused about the way people set their over current detection.

This signal gets rectified and fed into a comparator. Then you have roughly half of the full swing so if I have 1:1000 current sensor and 5ohm load I have to set my comparator to trigger at 1.25V to get 500A limit?
i dont do too much of the tesla coiling anymore, so its best to ask some of the other aces who do it all the time. But generally in these type of circuits, your calculating the safe operating area/envelope of the device that needs to be protected. then your averaging out the feedback measurement to intervene as you approach the boundary of the SOA.

then magnitude, duration and hysteresis of this feedback circuit are chosen to avoid things like false triggering or oscilations and flickers...
Back to top
Hartstart
Wed Nov 27 2013, 08:30PM
Hartstart Registered Member #2616 Joined: Sun Jan 10 2010, 01:00PM
Location:
Posts: 12
Driver and other parts are working just as they should (wards UD) but im just not sure how you guys measure your primary current value.

In short: is the "primary current" peak-to-peak value or from zero line to tallest peak?
Back to top
Uspring
Thu Nov 28 2013, 09:41AM
Uspring Registered Member #3988 Joined: Thu Jul 07 2011, 03:25PM
Location:
Posts: 711
Standard practice is to call "peak current" the max current, i.e. from zero line to peak.

Back to top
Hartstart
Thu Nov 28 2013, 10:45AM
Hartstart Registered Member #2616 Joined: Sun Jan 10 2010, 01:00PM
Location:
Posts: 12
Uspring wrote ...

Standard practice is to call "peak current" the max current, i.e. from zero line to peak.



Myth confirmed: I am a biig derp. cheesey

Basicly what this means is that I have been running all of my coils at roughly half of the intended current

Now lets go ahead and double that comparator reference voltage!
Back to top
Mads Barnkob
Thu Nov 28 2013, 02:20PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
Location: Denmark, Odense C
Posts: 1968
If you look in the schematics for the universal driver, you will see that the OCD signal from the CT is going through a full bridge rectifier, so all peaks, negative or positive are considered by the comparator as zero to positive peak voltages.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.