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Dragon64
Fri Sept 27 2013, 05:29AM Print
Dragon64 Registered Member #1438 Joined: Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:57AM
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Hello, I'm trying to determine the current drawn by a voltage multiplier to provide a suitable ZVS driver for running the multiplier.

Specification:
-6 Stages
-10nF 30kV capacitor
-30kV 5mA diode
-Run at ~10-30kHz
-Input = 10kV Vrms
-Load 1mA

Will the multiplier draw too much current from the ZVS driver destroying either the multiplier diodes or capacitors?

The schematic for the full circuit is a little bit messy.

Projec2t
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Proud Mary
Fri Sept 27 2013, 07:20PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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With the specifications you've given, the transformer secondary will have to supply about 17mA to the multiplier - say 20mA when you throw in losses due to surface leakage and corona.

That's a couple of hundred watts. I don't think the LOPT would last very long.

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Dragon64
Fri Sept 27 2013, 09:46PM
Dragon64 Registered Member #1438 Joined: Sat Apr 12 2008, 12:57AM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

With the specifications you've given, the transformer secondary will have to supply about 17mA to the multiplier - say 20mA when you throw in losses due to surface leakage and corona.

That's a couple of hundred watts. I don't think the LOPT would last very long.



How long approximately do you think it would last under a couple hundred watts? The LOPT will be immersed under mineral oil with proper vacuum removing of bubbles.

Also I'm curious to what would happen if the ZVS does not provide enough power for the multiplier. Will the Vripple just be very large because it doesn't have enough power to charge the multiplier capacitors before it drains?

I'm also going to guess that those diodes rated at 5mA would not be sufficient for this multiplier.

*attached is the LOPT I'm planning on using*
1380318388 1438 FT157526 Kgrhqmokoofim4k2m6pbsjvqcymzq60 57
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Sept 29 2013, 04:00PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I think that transformer will have no problems with 200 watts. Usually when the transformers are run with a symmetric load and a forward converter, the available output power is at least 2 times larger than with the halv wave rectifier like in a TV. The old unrectified, disc or cylinder-style transformers can supply several hundred watts this way. A friend ran one at 900 watts for a few minutes and it was fine.
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Proud Mary
Sun Sept 29 2013, 05:44PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Perhaps Dr Dark Current is right, Dragon. I would not have expected that a winding designed to pass, say 2 mA, would not overheat if 20 mA were drawn from it continuously, but have not tried it myself.
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Ash Small
Mon Sept 30 2013, 04:16PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Dragon64 wrote ...


Also I'm curious to what would happen if the ZVS does not provide enough power for the multiplier. Will the Vripple just be very large because it doesn't have enough power to charge the multiplier capacitors before it drains?


I think the answer is that it will not output the design voltage, because the capacitors will not get fully charged. I think this is also the reason that 'most' voltage multipliers have larger capacitors in the lower stages, otherwise the capacitors in the higher stages wouldn't get fully charged.
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