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GammaRay
Mon Sept 16 2013, 01:57PM Print
GammaRay Registered Member #5323 Joined: Fri Jun 15 2012, 02:14PM
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Hi:

I'm trying to explain airborne electrically charged particles to a youngster, but find I myself need a bit of a refresher course. I've already done the google searches and searched this archive looking for clarification.

Question: Since Muons, Positrons, Pions and Electrons possess an electrical charge, is it correct or incorrect to refer to them as "Ions"?
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Uspring
Mon Sept 16 2013, 02:53PM
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It is incorrect. Ions are electrically charged atoms or molecules. They become charged by either removing or adding electrons to them.

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Meatball
Mon Sept 16 2013, 03:43PM
Meatball Registered Member #2401 Joined: Mon Sept 28 2009, 04:25PM
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Start with explaining the electric field. Then move on to how charged particles move within it.
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Ash Small
Mon Sept 16 2013, 04:56PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Two atoms were sat in a bar having a drink.

Suddenly, one atom turns to the other, and says "I think I've lost an electron"

The other atom replies "Are you sure?"

The first atom pats himself down, and replies "Yes, I'm positive!"

(The old jokes are the best smile )
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GammaRay
Mon Sept 16 2013, 07:58PM
GammaRay Registered Member #5323 Joined: Fri Jun 15 2012, 02:14PM
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Thanks so far for the replies, but a bit of grey remains (for me). Here's the reason:

"The word ION denotes an entity, a particle, that will move under the action of an electric field". Source: Niels Jonassen, MS, DSc, Technical University of Denmark.

Positrons, Pions, Electrons, (Muons) etc, possess an electric charge and theoretically should move under the action of a strong enough electric field, thus satisfying the above definition of an ION by Niels Jonassen, yes?

Hoping to receive some clarity on this, thanks in advance.



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BigBad
Mon Sept 16 2013, 08:01PM
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No, an ion is an atom or molecule that has lost or gained an electron.

Positrons, pions, electrons etc are charged particles, but not ions.
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Ash Small
Mon Sept 16 2013, 08:22PM
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"An ion is an atom or molecule in which the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons, giving the atom a net positive or negative electrical charge."
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