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Force Diagram of a Bicopter Tilter.

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Patrick
Wed Jul 24 2013, 02:17PM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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im trying to explain why some configurations are better/different than others. Im not expectig others to do my homework, but i do need some others here on the forum to advise me on such matters as the math a physics.

now, having built and operated several bicopters, ive seen different behavior from there different dimensions and applied forces. Fore most the tilter is now the focus of my curiosity. It seems to me the higher in elevation the pivot point is above the CoG, the greater the torque applied to the CoG. and that if the pivot and CoG are at the same elevation, then there would be zero torque? is this right?


1374676383 2431 FT1630 Fbd1
so in the above pic, is increasing the vertical distance, equivelent to increasing a levers' length?



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Patrick
Fri Jul 26 2013, 12:09AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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Im going to use this thread as my scratch pad, to "do my homework" so to speak. any one with interest or something to add please jump in and say so.

ok looking at my physics text book, im seeing:

1374799544 2431 FT1630 Inertia

After reviewing the above and adding washers and screwdriver bits to the end of a rod i immediately found my machine would hover easily, though its not perfect yet. the specifics are diagrammed below.


1374801309 2431 FT1630 Diag1

if i did this math right for the above pic, this explians why i have more control now, then before. When i had less than 10% of this number and it was wickedly unstable.

ive come up with I = 0.028kgm^2 for the "sort-of" stable hover, i think i need to double it, but how? adding useless steel and lead to a aircraft or spacecraft should be seen as appalling and barbaric... So, ill use the battery, whose math and diagram follows.

1374809830 2431 FT1630 Diag2
the length matters a whole hell of a lot more than mass.





1374814468 2431 FT1630 Diag3
ill try this next, but im exceeding the dimensions and wise use of mass, 110g of useless mass isnt good engineering. a horizontal tail surface could be arranged though...
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