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Erlend^SE
Tue Jul 23 2013, 06:25PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
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You can get a IC that monitor all cell voltages, control the FET's to switch the resistors on/off and monitor temp/under/over voltage and maybe even current.

In addition it will only need a external charger circuit.
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Patrick
Tue Jul 23 2013, 08:09PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Erlend^SE wrote ...

You can get a IC that monitor all cell voltages, control the FET's to switch the resistors on/off and monitor temp/under/over voltage and maybe even current.

In addition it will only need a external charger circuit.
can you reccomend a specific IC maker and number?
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Experimentonomen
Wed Jul 24 2013, 07:33AM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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This is an idea i have for a liion pack charger, not sure if it'd work though.

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Patrick
Wed Jul 24 2013, 01:26PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Experimentonomen wrote ...

This is an idea i have for a liion pack charger, not sure if it'd work though.

Link2
there is no way to vary the voltage to each cell.
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Conundrum
Wed Jul 24 2013, 07:28PM
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Something like an MC34063 for each cell connected to a dedicated Li+ charger Ic would also work, and guarantee isolation.
Also this approach is a bit safer and gentler on the cells if a low current IC is used such as the MAX1555, L6924D or Intersil 9220

-A
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Experimentonomen
Wed Jul 24 2013, 07:32PM
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Aint the point of balance charging to get all cells in the series pack to the exact same voltage ?

Charge voltage can be changed by changing the full charge constant voltage regulation loop but should be kept at 4.1V or 4.2V depending on which is specced in the datasheet for the cells.

Charge current is limited by sesing the primary side current.

My charger idea is intended for a pack of six 18650 cells out of a laptop battery pack rewired to all in series.
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Patrick
Thu Jul 25 2013, 05:00PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Experimentonomen wrote ...

Aint the point of balance charging to get all cells in the series pack to the exact same voltage ?

Charge voltage can be changed by changing the full charge constant voltage regulation loop but should be kept at 4.1V or 4.2V depending on which is specced in the datasheet for the cells.

Charge current is limited by sesing the primary side current.

My charger idea is intended for a pack of six 18650 cells out of a laptop battery pack rewired to all in series.
yes I suppose when some cells reach 4.2V they go to low current, while other cells below 4.2 continue to draw greater current. but my charger is working on 10mA and 0.05V increments, I don't know if you can get precise regulation with an unmonitored channel system as you suggest. But your not demending super jolts of power output either so it may be fine.
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Experimentonomen
Thu Jul 25 2013, 05:49PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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Now that i think about it, the voltage over each winding can rise well above 4.2V as the voltage feedback only activates when the full pack voltage reaches 4.1-4.2V x6 which is 24-25V and only then the duty cycle will back off to 4.1-4.2V per winding.

I'll tinker around with a circuit to measure the voltage of each cell individually.
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klugesmith
Thu Jul 25 2013, 06:22PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Is constant current, switching to constant voltage per cell, good enough?

Then consider charging the string in series,
with a simple shunt voltage regulator in parallel with each cell.

Each shunt could be instrumented with LED[s] or a little meter
to indicate how much of the string current is being diverted around that cell
to maintain e.g. 4.2 volts.
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Experimentonomen
Thu Jul 25 2013, 06:44PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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Or maybe simply just build six of this: Link2

I'll keep the transformer with six identical secondaries just to keep the heat dissipation of all six circuits the same.
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