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ZakWolf
Thu Jun 20 2013, 03:50AM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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I saw this video on youtube Link2

and saw that he was using a Staccato Controller, I went to the sight he linked but couldn't find a schematic of the controller...

I was wondering if I could use Steve's VTTC Staccato Controller with his SSTC 5 Mini? I love them tube/sword sparks!!!
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Mads Barnkob
Thu Jun 20 2013, 08:29AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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For the swordlike sparks you need a Fres above 450 kHz, atleast that seems to be the general rule.

I got a stranded project, due to lack of time, I call it the poor mans QCWDRSSTC, similar configuration as the QCWDRSSTC but without the class D supply. Instead it is controlled by a staccato controller using the positive ramp of the half wave rectified AC sinus curve and how much of it adjustable from whatever to 5000uS, but havent got to finish it yet.

I have 3x 200A IGBTs in parallel for this experiment and heat sink was supposed to be standing in ice water :)

Anyone tried something like this yet?
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HV Enthusiast
Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:44AM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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A Stacatto controller is NOT what gives the swordlike spark appearance. The shape of the voltage envelope is what creates the swordlike sparks.

The staccato controller is simply an interrupter that is synchronized with the 60Hz input waveform. This obviously isn't useful with a DRSSTC or SSTC that uses a DC bus, but if you are using rectified mains voltage such as in a very simple SSTC or VTTC, you can get the sword like appearances.

How? With the staccato controller, the pulse will not initiate until after the zero crossing of the AC (or after some delay, if desired). So, the arc will begin at a point where the rectified AC is low, and then the rectified AC will begin to increase while the arc is propogating. This voltage envelope is what causes the arc to grow in a sword like fashion.

A QCW coil is the same, except here, you are taking a DC supply, and then modulating it in whatever fashion necessary to create the voltage envelope you are requiring.

If you are still looking for a general Stacatto controller, we do offer them at the link below:

Link2


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ZakWolf
Thu Jun 20 2013, 05:19PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Well dang, I guess Its just going to have to be a another project in the future.

Thanks for the info guys
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Physics Junkie
Thu Jun 20 2013, 05:35PM
Physics Junkie Registered Member #7267 Joined: Tue Oct 16 2012, 12:16AM
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I experienced very cool sword like sparks on Steve's sstc5 mini. My winding is 10" on 4" form. No toroid. No idea what the frequency and never cared to find out since it runs off antenna feedback. I only experienced the thick bright white sword sparks by using half-wave rectified mains and a mistake in my burst modulator that turned out to work in my advantage. The sparks were also much longer, if I remember correctly I got up to 18" sword sparks this way
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ZakWolf
Thu Jun 20 2013, 07:57PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Physics Junkie wrote ...

I experienced very cool sword like sparks on Steve's sstc5 mini. My winding is 10" on 4" form. No toroid. No idea what the frequency and never cared to find out since it runs off antenna feedback. I only experienced the thick bright white sword sparks by using half-wave rectified mains and a mistake in my burst modulator that turned out to work in my advantage. The sparks were also much longer, if I remember correctly I got up to 18" sword sparks this way

WOW :D thats awesome im jealous, I will see what I can do haha

Right now im designing new PCB's for the sstc
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Jun 21 2013, 08:30AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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This is normal, just use half wave rectified mains without interrupter and you wil get long sword sparks if the frequency is higher than around 300 kHz.
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