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Linas
Thu May 30 2013, 05:43PM Print
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Hello, i have some project coming up, and i need 16b HV power supply, capable to change voltage at least at 100KHz
(For pockels cell, so it's like 5-10pF capacitive load)
Any one know how to do it ?
For now i thinking about H bridge from two class A amplifiers, but can i do better ?
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Thomas W
Thu May 30 2013, 06:22PM
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how big can it be max?
ive got a few ideas:
Small flyback transformer @ 100Khz
some sort of boost converter?
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Linas
Thu May 30 2013, 06:26PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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__=|(:3)-|--{__ wrote ...

how big can it be max?
ive got a few ideas:
Small flyback transformer @ 100Khz
some sort of boost converter?
Too slow, need something fast and low noise. Size is not a concern
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Steve Conner
Thu May 30 2013, 06:31PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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The guys I'm currently working for have another team trying to build an agile SMPS that can do +-15kV peak at up to 1kHz. They've been at it for a while and there has been a fair amount of magic smoke.

I'd use two vacuum tubes like the 811, 572B, GU81M, 833 or 4PR1000A, connected as a White cathode follower. Wireless filament power for the high-side (ask Marko :) )

You could either run it off 4kV, or build two copies and drive them 180 degrees out of phase.
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Linas
Thu May 30 2013, 06:40PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

You could either run it off 4kV, or build two copies and drive them 180 degrees out of phase.

I get SiC JFET 1700V 0.5R, well, i could drive them at 1600V, so that would be +-1.6KV peak,

Is it hard to cascade JFET's ? if i use two in series, it will give me what i need
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Steve Conner
Thu May 30 2013, 08:04PM
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I have no idea. The Art Of Electronics shows a series MOSFET stack that could be adapted, but I expect it would have serious problems maintaining even voltage sharing at high frequencies.
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Sulaiman
Thu May 30 2013, 08:36PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Just a quick sanity check ....
2kV pk @ 100kHz across 10pF = 6.28 A pk .....

Is what you are aiming for something like this ? Link2
but faster ?

must the switching be pulse/squarewave ?
e.g. fixed frequecy sinewave would be so much easier.
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Linas
Thu May 30 2013, 09:10PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

Just a quick sanity check ....
2kV pk @ 100kHz across 10pF = 6.28 A pk .....
must the switching be pulse/squarewave ?
I am developing feedback loop with pockels cell. in real life i will have small voltage changes, like 100-200V,
I have to control dispersion from PID loop, that it,so i need to have few kv range
while surfing in scientific literature i found that for my task i only need +-1Kv, so 1700V JFETS should do the trick
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Antonio
Fri May 31 2013, 12:45AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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A 10 pF capacitor at 100 kHz has an impedance of 1/(2*Pi*100000*10e-12)= 159e3 ohms. 2 kV over this results in 12.6 mA. Still not easy, but possible.
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Linas
Fri May 31 2013, 07:32AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Antonio wrote ...

A 10 pF capacitor at 100 kHz has an impedance of 1/(2*Pi*100000*10e-12)= 159e3 ohms. 2 kV over this results in 12.6 mA. Still not easy, but possible.
Well, idea is this. since JFET will be driven in different phase, total load always will be the same, and equal 20W. this is good for DC power supply, since it will not get into step response and kill my JFET's

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Now, how to get clean 20W 1,5KV power supply, i don't think that simple push-pull will be low noise ?
Idea use resonant converter with full wave bridge rectifier, and current regulator for that converter which connects to HV DC output and regulate current for resonant circuitry.
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