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Are microwave oven diodes avalanche diodes?

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Dr. Dark Current
Tue May 28 2013, 06:59PM Print
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A friend of mine used some for rectification of a current limited HV transformer, but he didn't know that the diodes need to be rated at Vpeak-peak for half wave rectification. The diodes supposedly got so hot that they desoldered themselves, but still worked afterwards.

The use of avalanche diodes would make sense as I believe there are several dies in series. Making series stacks of MW diodes would then be easy without any ballancing circuits. What do you think?
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Steve Conner
Wed May 29 2013, 07:12AM
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Yes, they are very probably avalanche diodes. They have a forward voltage of about 8V, so they definitely have multiple dice in series.
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed May 29 2013, 09:18AM
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Thanks for the reply Steve. wink
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Alex M
Thu May 30 2013, 02:03PM
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This might be useful Link2 , its the data-sheet for a diode I got out of an old microwave and it has avalanche specifications listed.
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Conundrum
Wed Jun 05 2013, 05:19AM
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Hmm.. Another idea, gut a MW diode and make some avalanche photodiodes (APDs) on the cheap.
Might work.

-A
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Steve Conner
Wed Jun 05 2013, 09:06AM
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I think it would be easier to just buy a single diode.

I think probably pretty much any diode would do something interesting when biased near to its reverse breakdown voltage and exposed to radiation. Even non-avalanche-rated diodes (1N4007 etc) can withstand a small current in the avalanche mode.
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Conundrum
Wed Jun 05 2013, 05:41PM
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(scuttles off to test this idea..)

Didn't some old TVs use this method to detect X-ray leakage from the rectifier tube and shut down?

-A
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Steve Conner
Wed Jun 05 2013, 10:00PM
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Probably not, tube rectifiers in TVs were obsolete before automatic shutdown circuits were introduced. Tube TVs protected against X-rays by using a thick leaded glass envelope for the rectifier tube.
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Conundrum
Tue Jun 11 2013, 05:04AM
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Heh. Link2

OK so it doesen't actually detect X-rays but senses excess HV that can cause X-ray emission and also crack the glass.
Thats intriguing..

Wonder why they used to put a warning on camcorder viewfinders when the HV was below 3.5KV even in the event of total HV runaway? I once tried this and overran one with a bad vertical output to 14V in and the HV only went up by an estimated 10%.

(scuttles off to go and find the salvaged B/W CRTs to see if they have a warning label too)


-A
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