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schematic for 12 MOT stack

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PhilGood
Wed May 29 2013, 09:24AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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As Dr. Slack said this is actually a 2x 5 MOTs stacks in parallel

I've been watching "The Day of the Triffids" yesterday, and I thougt this MOT's stack would be fine for a lethal electric fence to protect against Triffids, zombies and other similar things shades
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed May 29 2013, 09:56AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The MOTs are designed to run with a grounded core. I think that they need to pass a 2KVAC test between the core and primary, so I would consider two MOTs in series on each "leg" acceptable, but not more.
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Dr. Slack
Wed May 29 2013, 12:40PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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Could I suggest the configuration below, unless you *really* need a single ended supply. Many things can be run bipolar, TCs, Jacobs Ladders, general flaming arcs etc. Running it bipolar gives you 2x the terminal to ground voltage between your terminals. All NSTs that I've ever seen are run bipolar with a centre tap.

With only 2 MOTs in series on each leg, OK, you've only got 8kV rather than 10kV between terminals, but you only have 2kV over voltage winding to core on the outer MOTs rather than 8kV overvoltage. If you put 3 in series on each leg, you'd have 12kV between terminals, and still 4kV less over-voltage on your outer MOTs than you have now.

I think I've got the phasing right for 2x voltage, but it's easy to go cross-eyed. My apologies if both legs are the same phase, just swap the polarity on the second leg if it's wrong.

Bear in mind that running it with only 4kV to ground rather than 10kV to ground doesn't make it significantly safer, not enough to change your habits around it when it's powered on. 4kV will still launch itself across a gap to bite you. Think of it as jumping from the 50th floor instead of the 70th.


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MR-ZAPPY
Wed May 29 2013, 05:49PM
MR-ZAPPY Registered Member #16018 Joined: Fri May 03 2013, 07:19PM
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kizmo used 3 phase and groups of 4 MOTs in parallel going to a six pule rectifier
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klugesmith
Wed May 29 2013, 10:23PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Both schematics posted so far have MOT secondaries connected in series-parallel arrangements.

If they were strictly in series, you could use any mix of scrounged MOT's.

But when two or more secondaries are tied in parallel,

1) The transformers in that group should electrically match each other, and not just in open circuit voltage. That's if you want them to share the load current evenly, and avoid circulating currents in the secondary loop(s).

2) The associated primaries should be hardwired in parallel (not on different switches, or different phases of the mains supply, or opposite halves of split-240 single phase) to reduce the unsafety of the exercise.
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MR-ZAPPY
Thu May 30 2013, 02:24PM
MR-ZAPPY Registered Member #16018 Joined: Fri May 03 2013, 07:19PM
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Dr.slack is right about felling safe but I always stay away and only touch it when I am sure that power is off
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HV Enthusiast
Thu May 30 2013, 02:30PM
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If you're looking for more current and voltage than what one or two MOTs can provided, you are probably best investing in a good ole pole transformer.

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MR-ZAPPY
Thu May 30 2013, 05:02PM
MR-ZAPPY Registered Member #16018 Joined: Fri May 03 2013, 07:19PM
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where cam i get a pole transformer (there is no nearby junkysrd)
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