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Experimentonomen
Mon May 27 2013, 09:46PM Print
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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See my last post in the tread.
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Steve Conner
Tue May 28 2013, 02:13PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Looks cool! What chip are you using for the comparator?
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Experimentonomen
Tue May 28 2013, 04:15PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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MAX913, but LT1016 and AD8561 will drop right in with no changes, downside is that LT1016 is ridicolously expensive, so when i build more of these i will have to go with AD8561 as it is the cheapest as well as the only one i can get in PDIP at a reasonable price(around 4 euros).
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Experimentonomen
Sat Jun 22 2013, 10:17AM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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I got a registered letter from seeedstudio:
Link2

Schematic: Link2
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Experimentonomen
Sun Jun 23 2013, 11:08AM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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All videos and pictures of board layouts deleted after discovering my class d make as good am transmitters as amplifiers.

All my class d work is now terminated until i have learned more about proper layouting above 20kHz.
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Steve Conner
Sun Jun 23 2013, 07:11PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Boo :(, but on the bright side you are learning more about EMC every day! Did you get complaints from the neighbours?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jun 23 2013, 08:44PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Just put it in a shielded case with common mode chokes and dont care cheesey
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Experimentonomen
Sun Jun 23 2013, 11:42PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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UNACCEPTABLE!!! Building in shielded cans is just sweeping the problem under the carpet.

If class d modules from Hypex and Anaview/Abletec can be run without shielded cans in the same box as a AM/FM tuner with no interference what so ever, i want my diy to have the same ability.

Therefore i put class d on the shelf until i come up with a board layout that fullfills this requirement. Until then, no more class d will be produced.
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Steve Conner
Mon Jun 24 2013, 07:28AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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The Coldamp module I had used a few tricks: A second stage of filtering on the output, a RC snubber on the switching node to suppress ringing, and it was shipped with some small ferrite chokes to be inserted in the power supply wires if you had any trouble. Using it as a bass guitar amp, I mostly had trouble with switching noise getting back into the preamp input, causing gross-sounding distortion. I had to limit the bandwidth of the preamp quite a bit.

RC or LC filters will only be effective if the filter capacitor is grounded to a low-impedance ground. Putting the whole circuit in a metal box and grounding the EMI filter caps directly to the box where the wires pass through is a brute force technique, pretty much guaranteed to work. The box forms a Faraday cage and all the return currents from the caps are confined to the inside.

I would be very surprised if any Class-D amp module could be used in the same box as an AM tuner without some pretty epic levels of shielding and filtering. Or nowadays a clever noise shaping algorithm connected to the tuner, that moves the noise energy away from whatever station you're listening to smile
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Experimentonomen
Mon Jun 24 2013, 08:59AM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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My boards did use a ground plane.

I took these pics for a troubleshooting thread at diyaudio: Link2
Link2

And i stayed up late last night and drew this, but im gonna assume its just as terrible as the previous one, if not worse.
Worse or better ? you decide: Link2
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