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MR-ZAPPY
Mon May 27 2013, 09:14PM Print
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I was just wondering if one of these schematics is correct for using a gu81m tube in a HF VTTC

I think Dr. Dark current could help

Thanks

Tell me which one is correct 1 or 2
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MR-ZAPPY
Mon May 27 2013, 09:15PM
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That was the first photo here is the second one
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GrantX
Tue May 28 2013, 02:49AM
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I'm not a 100% confident advising about the tube oscillator (still learning myself), but I can see some issues with the filament.

In the first schematic the filament power is shorted out by the ground line, no current is actually reaching the tube.

The second schematic also has some filament issues. I not sure if it's better to ground the cathode centre-tap, or if it's better to ground one of the filament inputs and leave the centre-tap alone (a quick Google search reveals circuits using both configurations - perhaps it's not critical). Either way, it's a good idea to place a bypass capacitor across the filament leads to ensure no RF feeds back into the transformer.

Aaand that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge, hopefully someone else with more hand-on experience can be more helpful.

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MR-ZAPPY
Tue May 28 2013, 05:10AM
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Thanks I will try to play around with it
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue May 28 2013, 08:30AM
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the center tap is used as a cathode, the ends are supplied with the filament power, for high power/frequency applications it is best to bypass the filaments with caps.
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MR-ZAPPY
Tue May 28 2013, 02:43PM
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How do I connect the gu81m differently besides the grids.
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MR-ZAPPY
Sun Nov 02 2014, 02:49PM
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Well I'm an idiot suggesting those schematics. At least I know how to play it safe. I'm gonna see if i can get it working with my GU-81M. :)
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Nov 16 2014, 01:29AM
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These circuits are kind of "black magic", even if you try to replicate someone's work, your layout may work very differently.

Probably the most reliable circuit is the base feed method, for which you would need to wind an additional DC choke (called the radio-frequency choke) in series with the plate and connect the base of the resonator to the plate. Then you would also need to make a screen supply with around 600 V output.

A substantial problem of these circuits is that the plate voltage is present on the output, so it can easily kill you if you accidentally touch the arc.
Concerning this, a better circuit uses a primary coil around the resonator (its bottom is then grounded), the feedback can be taken from a tap near the bottom of the resonator.

Note that none of these circuits use an additional tank capacitor - the capacitance of the plate itself is sufficient.
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