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PhilGood
Sat May 18 2013, 06:41AM Print
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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Hi guys, I'm back to HV fun after a long break :)

I noticed most coilers use strings of 10 series diodes for MOT rectification
What kind of diodes are you using for this ?

Most MO diodes are rated 12kV 350mA, isn't that enough for our needs ?

Thanks for your answers !
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon May 20 2013, 09:40AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Use the MO diodes, they are perfect for this.
Also my favorite diodes are the EM520, they are like 1N4007 but rated at 2kV, so you only need half of them.
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PhilGood
Tue May 21 2013, 03:49AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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Thanks Dr. DC for your answer

I was considering using strings of 1N4007 for higher current, but when I put them alongside to MO diodes, my feeling is that these MO diodes might handle more than the 350mA they are rated

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I didn't know the EM520, thanks for the tip, might be handy ;)


EDIT:

I was really curious about this so I made some destructive tests with these MO diodes

I connected one of them in series with my amp meter and a smotthing Iron on my variac

Then I increased current by 100mA steps

At 700ma it was getting barely hot

At 900ma it was getting quite hot in a few minutes

So I mounted the MO diode on a heatsink (quick and dirty mounting, just using a clamp to keep the diode pressed towards the heatsink)

Then I kept increasing current by 0.1 A steps. After each current increase I let it run for 5 minutes before pushing further

From 1A to 1.3A I could barely feel the heatsink heating.

At 1.4 A I let it run for more than 20 mins, and the heatsink was a little hot

Then I pushed it to 2 A, there it died with some smoke after one minute

Well I think these MO diodes can easilly handle 1A with a proper heatsink mounting. But I'm not sure how long they would last in such conditions

HVM12 datasheet Link2


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There is also one point on which I would like some confirmation:

I ran these tests at low voltage (betwwen 30V and 110V), so very far from the max diode voltage.
Because of this I wonder if my test is reliable.

As far as I understand, the heat generated by the diode depends on the junction voltage drop and the current, and the diode voltage drop is the same at any test voltage, so the test voltage doesn't matters.

Is that right ?
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue May 21 2013, 10:17AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi,
the MO diodes have a voltage drop of around 10 volts, this is why they are so big, there are many individual dies in series. Running 350 mA through them, they dissipate around 3.5 watts, which really is the limit for such a small package without heatsinking (which is the way they are really used). Some MO diodes are rated at 550 mA, but I would not go over this if you want them to last. The manufacturers have a reason to state the current they state...
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PhilGood
Wed May 22 2013, 11:08AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
Posts: 259
Hi Dr. DC,

Thanks for the advice, I will then use strings of EM520 if I need higher current

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