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Turns per volt on this type of ferrite?

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Thomas W
Sat May 11 2013, 09:45PM Print
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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hey guys,
has anyone used this type of ferrite core
for homemade transformers before
i got it out of a standard FBT:

i need to know the best turns per volt to start winding, im planning to do:

rectified 230v in (0.31A aprox)
output:
0-18 1A
0-18 1A
0-18 1A
0-18 1A

a total of about 72VA

thanks,
Thomas W
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Steve Conner
Sun May 12 2013, 09:20AM
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When you say "230V" in, I guess you mean a square wave of 160V peak (half bridge) or 320V peak (full bridge or flyback)?

Anyway, use about 50 turns for 320V.
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Sulaiman
Sun May 12 2013, 09:47AM
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If you already have a suitable bobbin then ignore the rest;
assuming a forward converter topology;
if you are going to make the bobbin,
consider winding the primary in four sections,
one for each outer limb of the ferrite,
then for each 1/4 primary winding have one of the secondaries,
this uses less copper (resistance) and is easier to wind and to insulate.
Of course you will have two round and two square sets of windings.

The auxiliary winding can be insulated wire wound directly onto one of the remaining two limbs, easy to adjust.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun May 12 2013, 11:41AM
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For a square wave with 50/50 duty cycle, N=V/(4*f*B*A). N=number of turns, V=applied voltage, f=frequency, B=flux density (try 0.3 up to some 30 kHz, 0.2 for 60kHz), A=core area (m^2).
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Thomas W
Sun May 12 2013, 11:52AM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

If you already have a suitable bobbin then ignore the rest;
assuming a forward converter topology;
if you are going to make the bobbin,
consider winding the primary in four sections,
one for each outer limb of the ferrite,
then for each 1/4 primary winding have one of the secondaries,
this uses less copper (resistance) and is easier to wind and to insulate.
Of course you will have two round and two square sets of windings.

The auxiliary winding can be insulated wire wound directly onto one of the remaining two limbs, easy to adjust.

Sadly, i know very little about the topologys, the only ones im really familire with is a full-bridge or half-bridge driven from a TL494
is there any good example schematics that people often use as a base for the circuit build?
thanks,
Thomas Williamson

EDIT:
-snip dumb stuff-
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun May 12 2013, 08:56PM
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What is the frequency and core cross section? I wil try to check it.
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Thomas W
Tue May 14 2013, 01:19PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Grrr, my calculations arnt making sence at the second,

15mm diameter = 706.9 mm^2 = 0.7069m^2
frequency = 60Khz = 60,000Hz
flux density = 0.2

0.2*0.71*60,000*4 = 34080
320/34080 = 9.389x10^-3 = 0.00939 turns per volt... cant be right....

should the frequency be put in as Khz?
0.2*0.71*60*4 = 34.08
320/34.08 = 9.39v per turn.... sounds much better...
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Steve Conner
Tue May 14 2013, 02:49PM
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There are 1 million square millimeters in a square meter. Not 1000. (1 million is 1000 squared.)
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Ash Small
Tue May 14 2013, 03:07PM
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~10V/turn sounds a bit high, but is probably feasible. It depends how far you want to push the Bmax.
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Thomas W
Tue May 14 2013, 04:00PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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I feel like a complete idiot now.... used google to convert because i was too lazy and didnt put the 2 at the end.... *facepalms*
320/ (0.0007069*60000*4*0.2) = 9.43

cool, so i got about the same (not that far off)
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