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dingo27
Sun Mar 03 2013, 01:19PM Print
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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Hi there,

instead of long story - i understand mosfet is switched with voltage, with maximum of Vgs mentioned in datasheet. Only little current flows while charging gate.

How is it with bipolar transistors?

datasheet of BD649 says>

EB voltage 5V
continous base current - 300mA

Does this mean that to switch it fully on, i need 5V@300mA? That is 1,5W of energy just to turn it on!
Can i put more voltage to base, lets say 15v? What datasheet value talks about maximum gate (base) voltage, or current ?
What types are good for switching operation- normal, darlingtons?

I am talking only about switching mode, not linear operation

Any simple explanation would be highly appreciated.

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Pinky's Brain
Sun Mar 03 2013, 02:30PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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No, those are the maximum ratings ... they are limits you should not exceed, they are not meant as guidelines for use :)

At 8 ampere collector current the Vbe saturation voltage is around 2 volt and current gain around a thousand. So it would take a minimum of ~ 2*8/1000 = 16 mW to keep it fully turned on (ie. saturated) at max collector current.

Generally with a BJT (single or darlington) you use a base resistor to limit base current when you're switching with some type of logic level input. So for instance for 5 volt something like 250 Ohm would make sure it will be saturated at max collector current. Of course your logic circuit needs to be able to source 12 mA continuously in that case (with a temporary peak of 20 mA at turn on).
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Ash Small
Sun Mar 03 2013, 02:43PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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5V is the maximum voltage base to emitter.

It looks like 2.5V is sufficient to turn it on (see fig 3 in the datasheet below)

300mA is the maximum base-emitter current.

Gain is 750 (Hfe) minimum (see fig 1)

It looks, to me, that ~**link**-3V should be plenty to fully turn it on, but I'm sure others will comment with their own views.

EDIT: Looks like Pinky beat me to it. smile
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Shrad
Mon Mar 04 2013, 08:31AM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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this is what you want to read if you didn't undergo electronics courses

Link2

really nice book with plenty of details from the PN junction to the op-amp
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