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Soldering of Nickel?

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Ash Small
Thu Feb 28 2013, 01:28PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

the chemistry for aircraft and spacecraft, is always poisonous it seems. angry

I was going to suggest Phosphoric in my first reply above, but thought maybe others would suggest alternatives.

While you need to be wary of phosphoric fumes (it polymerizes at ~210 C, but I think all fumes attack the respiratory tract), it's actually safe to drink at concentrations up to ~10%W/W. It's also an 'ingredient' in Coca Cola (other phosphoric bearing cola's are available).

I've not tried using Coke as a flux yet, but regularly use it for removing oxides from copper and plated terminals (especially on old meters).

I usually use the sugar free ones, as they are less sticky once you boil the water off, and concentrate the phosphoric, etc.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Thu Feb 28 2013, 02:29PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Yea it does fume quite a bit when soldering, so do your best to do it in a well ventilated area. Don't solder with this stuff in your room.

Also, it really attacks concrete, but you could use a syringe to apply the acid without much trouble.

When I was soldering, it was on a big moisture trap, so I was spritzing the stainless here and there, it got all over the concrete, and etched, spotting the concrete and made a large mess!

So big stuff... do it in a pan of some sort.

Small stuff shouldn't be too much of a problem, but definately solder outside, it is smelly stuff when hot.
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ConKbot of Doom
Thu Feb 28 2013, 05:26PM
ConKbot of Doom Registered Member #509 Joined: Sat Feb 10 2007, 07:02AM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

Yea it does fume quite a bit when soldering, so do your best to do it in a well ventilated area. Don't solder with this stuff in your room.

Also, it really attacks concrete, but you could use a syringe to apply the acid without much trouble.

When I was soldering, it was on a big moisture trap, so I was spritzing the stainless here and there, it got all over the concrete, and etched, spotting the concrete and made a large mess!

So big stuff... do it in a pan of some sort.


Small stuff shouldn't be too much of a problem, but definately solder outside, it is smelly stuff when hot.
Jeeze, sounds like a whole barrel of fun.

Maybe a small capacitive discharge welder to weld the nickel wires to the pads may be a solution. Or surplus ultrasonic wirebonder from ebay maybe? tongue
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Sulaiman
Thu Feb 28 2013, 06:40PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Soldering nickel is a lot easier than soldering stainless steel ...
using the common liquid flux for pcb soldering that we use at work,
mild physical abrasion (I use a glass-fibre pen because I use it a lot during pcb repair)
wet with flux and separately tin each side with lead-free solder
(lead/tin solder will work but why add another metal?)
(e.g. lead-tin solder can 'dissolve' pads off ceramic substrates - don't ask !)
with more liquid flux solder the two parts together.
(I always use fluxcleaner and detergent to wash pcbs after soldering etc
but it's not required with 'modern' fluxes which do not leave an acid residue.)

The bulk ingredient of the liquid flux is IPA and I suspect that the flux in the core of the solder is enough, using alcohol or any other liquid to exclude air / prevent surface oxidation ... only a guess.
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Patrick
Thu Feb 28 2013, 09:40PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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This is starting to get as complicated as a "nuclear weapon modernisation program"!

let me try this a few times, it may be easy, or a total disaster. Ill report back...
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radiotech
Fri Mar 01 2013, 02:19AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Mr. Allen, Senior Works Chemist for Multicore Solders Ltd. said nickel is readily
soldered with ERSIN multicore 362 activated flux.

If you get your technique quite good a 63/37 solder might be best as it solidifies
instantly.
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Patrick
Fri Mar 01 2013, 04:29AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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i will try shortly, ihave a weld test to prepare for, but even with the right chemistry i still have to hope my fat finger can do SMT work...
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