If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.
Special Thanks To:
Aaron Holmes
Aaron Wheeler
Adam Horden
Alan Scrimgeour
Andre
Andrew Haynes
Anonymous000
asabase
Austin Weil
barney
Barry
Bert Hickman
Bill Kukowski
Blitzorn
Brandon Paradelas
Bruce Bowling
BubeeMike
Byong Park
Cesiumsponge
Chris F.
Chris Hooper
Corey Worthington
Derek Woodroffe
Dalus
Dan Strother
Daniel Davis
Daniel Uhrenholt
datasheetarchive
Dave Billington
Dave Marshall
David F.
Dennis Rogers
drelectrix
Dr. John Gudenas
Dr. Spark
E.TexasTesla
eastvoltresearch
Eirik Taylor
Erik Dyakov
Erlend^SE
Finn Hammer
Firebug24k
GalliumMan
Gary Peterson
George Slade
GhostNull
Gordon Mcknight
Graham Armitage
Grant
GreySoul
Henry H
IamSmooth
In memory of Leo Powning
Jacob Cash
James Howells
James Pawson
Jeff Greenfield
Jeff Thomas
Jesse Frost
Jim Mitchell
jlr134
Joe Mastroianni
John Forcina
John Oberg
John Willcutt
Jon Newcomb
klugesmith
Leslie Wright
Lutz Hoffman
Mads Barnkob
Martin King
Mats Karlsson
Matt Gibson
Matthew Guidry
mbd
Michael D'Angelo
Mikkel
mileswaldron
mister_rf
Neil Foster
Nick de Smith
Nick Soroka
nicklenorp
Nik
Norman Stanley
Patrick Coleman
Paul Brodie
Paul Jordan
Paul Montgomery
Ped
Peter Krogen
Peter Terren
PhilGood
Richard Feldman
Robert Bush
Royce Bailey
Scott Fusare
Scott Newman
smiffy
Stella
Steven Busic
Steve Conner
Steve Jones
Steve Ward
Sulaiman
Thomas Coyle
Thomas A. Wallace
Thomas W
Timo
Torch
Ulf Jonsson
vasil
Vaxian
vladi mazzilli
wastehl
Weston
William Kim
William N.
William Stehl
Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Registered Member #3900
Joined: Thu May 19 2011, 08:28PM
Location:
Posts: 600
What do you think? Up to a year in jail and, sitting right in the middle of it, the storm's not all that bad. I've seen snow worse than this, and the snow itself isn't really what gets people, it's the black ice the following days. A bit harsh?
Registered Member #53
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 638
That is some of the stupidest nannying I have heard in a while. Why punish people who are prepared and capable of travelling in severe weather? There was over a foot of wet slippy snow on the ground this morning and unlike hundreds of other people I made it to and from work without ending upside down in a ditch because I was prepared with 4 wheel drive and proper tires, should I have stayed home? The difference between 1 and 3 feet of snow is significant as far as it concerns road travel but that doesn't mean you can put a whole state on house arrest.
People willing to give up freedom for safety don't deserve either.
Registered Member #7267
Joined: Tue Oct 16 2012, 12:16AM
Location: Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 407
Nik wrote ...
That is some of the stupidest nannying I have heard in a while. Why punish people who are prepared and capable of travelling in severe weather? There was over a foot of wet slippy snow on the ground this morning and unlike hundreds of other people I made it to and from work without ending upside down in a ditch because I was prepared with 4 wheel drive and proper tires, should I have stayed home? The difference between 1 and 3 feet of snow is significant as far as it concerns road travel but that doesn't mean you can put a whole state on house arrest.
People willing to give up freedom for safety don't deserve either.
I Agree. Those are some pathetic bans. Sounds like a ditch effort to make some extra cash, governments these days......
Registered Member #65
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
Location:
Posts: 1155
Franklin was quoted many ways: "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" ...But he was not a nice fellow despite his accomplishments,
People-Popsicle are still common in northern climates... you know... fools out at a bar that take an ill advised nap in a snow bank on the way home. Several missing homeless also sprout-up from the melting snow in early spring....
Registered Member #3900
Joined: Thu May 19 2011, 08:28PM
Location:
Posts: 600
Patric wrote ... There will be great temptation to play in the snow [following the storm] and so forth, and I totally understand, but please, please exercise caution and use common sense[/blockquote]
To me it seems like our governor is babying people on the governmental level. Just to say something like that makes me angry; he refers to us as childish, irresponsible, and stupid. One of my biggest philosophies in life is "If someone wants to be a raging idiot, let them. It'll be at their expense." That might sound harsher than I meant it, but it's true. Let people have their freedom, if they make bad choices, they're the only one to blame.
Registered Member #2901
Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
Location:
Posts: 837
If the road is full of stuck cars how are emergency services supposed to get around? It's not just the people in the cars affected by a gridlock. Driving your car on public roads is hardly a fundamental freedom IMO.
Registered Member #96
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4061
Over here, 2cm of snow (!) crippled the public transport. I kid you not. I had to cycle to work, and overtook about 30 cars on the way because one !d!0t had taken a turn too wide and nearly ended up in someone's garden.
Registered Member #53
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 638
Pinky's Brain wrote ...
If the road is full of stuck cars how are emergency services supposed to get around? It's not just the people in the cars affected by a gridlock. Driving your car on public roads is hardly a fundamental freedom IMO.
Its not a fundamental freedom by any means but taking it away pretty much puts the whole state on house arrest. A healthy person can walk several km on a nice day no problem but slogging through snow is brutal. Unless you have snow shoes, skis or a snowmobile you are pretty much stuck.
Registered Member #3900
Joined: Thu May 19 2011, 08:28PM
Location:
Posts: 600
In some areas they use the sidewalk walker, but its legally only required within a radius of the schools (if they want to open them that is). That means that until the ban is lifted, there is absolutely no way anyone is going anywhere. The roads are fine as they most always are due to the plows and sand trucks last night, but there's still a good two feet of snow everywhere else. No power outages or emergencies in my region.
I agree with Nik. While it's not a fundamental freedom, it’s the only way people are leaving their houses.
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.