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Tetris

Wed Feb 06 2013, 03:28AM

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But wouldn't it be very inefficient for fullsized use?

BigBad

Wed Feb 06 2013, 03:29AM

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Ash Small wrote ...

I think the simplicity of ion drive would have appealed to Tesla. I don't think efficiency would necessarily have been a priority for him, after all, wireless power transmission using Tesla coils isn't that efficient.

You can get quite high efficiencies, particularly at short distances, like 80%. But ion drives are god-awful. I just calculated that at 100mph it would be about 0.3% efficient. They get much better at orbital speeds though.

Conundrum

Wed Feb 06 2013, 05:02AM

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I still wonder if a lot of the "pseudoscience" regarding the German flying disks was actually more of a recent invention.
The basic idea of using a mercury based MHD drive has been around since the early 1900's and Tesla may even have been aware of this as his early patents suggest low temperature work was done using Hg based diffusion vacuum pumps.

Although spinning metal can create a *very* strong magnetic field directly, a flying "saucer" might have been able to hover up to 20 feet up if located over a sufficiently dense aluminium or iron base plate or even a hollow iron or aluminium tube for underground tests.

Such a device could account for many if not all of the infamous photos and other anecdotal evidence with a simple catapult launcher and a 1/10 scale model the rest..

Carrying around a big metal plate would have been the real show stopper though

Another fascinating note suggests that mercury could also have been used to "supercharge" ion thrusters accounting for many of Tesla's early force beam experiments ..

It is entirely possible that the project was designed and built to convince the Allies of superior technology when in fact none existed, as a diversion from the working V1 and V2 projects in classic false intelligence fashion.
This strategy was also used during the Cold War by Russia, to help convince the Americans that they needed to spend $Billion$ on SDI.

EDIT:- Also found this interesting snippet.

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In 1957 a Polish immigrant offered his help to the FBI to explain the "car engine stalling UFO sightings" of the 1950's, and shared his experience as a WW II POW working at a prison camp at Gut Alt Golssen near Berlin.
In the report he tells that while going to work to a nearby area in 1944, they started to hear a high pitched noise similar to a large electric generator and their tractor engine stalled which they couldn't get starting again. They didn't see any machinery nearby but when the noise stopped, they could get their tractor starting again.
Few hours later working in the same area, he saw a vehicle slowly rising vertically from behind a tarpaulin-type wall around 50 feet high, surrounding a circular area of 100-150 yards in diameter..
"..This vehicle[...] circular in shape, 75 to 100 yards in diameter, and about 14 feet high, consisting of dark gray stationary top and bottom... The approximate three foot middle section appeared to be a rapidly moving [...] producing a continuous blur similar to an aeroplane propeller, but extending the circumference of the vehicle. The noise emanating from the vehicle was similar to the noise previously heard. The engine of the tractor again stalled [...] the noise stopped, after which the engine started normally.
Uninsulated metal, possibly copper, cables one and one-half inch to two inches in diameter, on and under the surface of the ground, [...] were observed...""

Interesting indeed...

Physics Junkie

Wed Feb 06 2013, 12:55PM

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Honestly I wouldn't even consider such things like "flying disc saucers" a pseudoscience because a) its not out of the realm of impossibility, and b) nobody knows for certain whether they exist. There is lots of scientific data to explain such technology and how it works as well as credible witnesses of such phenomena. By the same token, there is a lot of jargon and bullcrap information as well. One thing is undeniable: Tesla was on to something big. Many things actually. What fuels the suspicion is the CIA (known at the time formerly as Office of Strategic Services OSS) made a shady effort to confiscate all of Tesla's belongings, work, data, etc.. when he died. And then all of a sudden a few years later we have the Roswell incident and since then millions of people have experienced UFO phenomena. Not to mention, UFO's have been recorded in history for more than centuries. But that's a whole 'nother speculation I wont get into. When it comes to "how would Tesla power/drive such a machine?" I don't think there would be any sort of fuel source whatsoever. Ion drive, like a few have said, is just not efficient. Tesla wanted his discoveries to be known and help and benefit everyone in the world. Therefore I dont think his first thought would have been how to fly around in space and In orbit. His flying machine would have been something the people could use as an efficient means of transportation. Therefore no ion drive or fossil fuel involved. Just my thoughts..

BigBad

Thu Feb 07 2013, 03:42AM

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LOL the Roswell incident was just a cover for nuclear weapons research; they were trying to build a thing for detecting Russian nuclear tests.

Eventually, they hit on using seismic detectors, and abandoned all the weather balloon rubbish that led to the 'Roswell incident'. Aliens were just a convenient cover for that. There very definitely was a coverup... of nuke weapon related technology!

This is very well documented now.

Physics Junkie

Thu Feb 07 2013, 04:05AM

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BigBad wrote ...

LOL the Roswell incident was just a cover for nuclear weapons research; they were trying to build a thing for detecting Russian nuclear tests.

Eventually, they hit on using seismic detectors, and abandoned all the weather balloon rubbish that led to the 'Roswell incident'. Aliens were just a convenient cover for that. There very definitely was a coverup... of nuke weapon related technology!

This is very well documented now.

Theres lots of "very well documented" theories on roswell. Yes, the U.S. had high altitude balloons with Seismic detectors to try and detect nuclear weapons testing n Russia. That was a part of a very top secret program, Project Mogul. But I've never heard this theory involving a crashed object from the Roswell incident. You also said aliens was a convenient cover up.. I've never heard such a theory either. I think you have it backwards. There has never been any proof or official documentation released by the gov/military to explain what really crashed, and they used the weather balloon as the cover up story for whatever crashed, not aliens/ufo.. Regardless of what it really was, I'm making the observation between Tesla technology and a supposed unidentified flying object crash only a few years after his death..

Conundrum

Fri Feb 08 2013, 08:26AM

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On the flip side, we never heard about what happened to Boeing's "Project Greenglow" or the other research to explore reduction in gravity due to the GM London Moment effect. This was actually published in several peer reviewed papers and suggests that with time up to a 2% reduction in gravity may be possible with hundreds of stacked HTSC disks spinning in opposite directions if the mechanism scales correctly.

See

Also, it appears that most of the research done by Podkletnov was never fully duplicated by NASA, or even DARPA because they lacked funding or a convincing theory to explain the effect seen.

Airbus NX01 anyone?

Physics Junkie

Fri Feb 08 2013, 10:45AM

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Very interesting article! Maybe we never heard what happened to it because such technology has a 'possibility to be top secret', who knows. I'll have to do some reading on this. I'm curious as to what kind of experiments and apparatuses are used..

Conundrum

Sat Nov 09 2013, 08:22AM

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Also relevant, if graphene doped with n heptane superconducts at room temperature then its quite possible to cool that setup down and make a homemade Podkletnov test jig.

Remember that Jc scales inversely with Tc so something which is useless at room temperature might work perfectly well at 100K.

EDIT: Graphene doped with lithium might also work at 180K and below

Graphene doped with gallium might also be worth a try as its an easy experiment and the parts are readily available online.

I've noticed some anomalies with pyrolytic graphite and alpha particles which suggests new physics and a certain magazine wouldn't publish it for some reason.

BigBad

Sat Nov 09 2013, 05:26PM

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wrote ...

On the flip side, we never heard about what happened to Boeing's "Project Greenglow" or the other research to explore reduction in gravity due to the GM London Moment effect. This was actually published in several peer reviewed papers and suggests that with time up to a 2% reduction in gravity may be possible with hundreds of stacked HTSC disks spinning in opposite directions if the mechanism scales correctly.

See

My understanding is that the research never replicated; not that it was never tried, but that attempts to do it again failed. The researchers are now working on other things.

wrote ...
Also, it appears that most of the research done by Podkletnov was never fully duplicated by NASA, or even DARPA because they lacked funding or a convincing theory to explain the effect seen.

Airbus NX01 anyone?

Uh yeah something like that.

Again, there's a subtle difference between 'never fully duplicated' and 'they tried it, and it didn't work'. Here, it's the latter, not the former that went down.

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