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Lets light an 1800W xenon short arc bulb

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Shrad
Fri Jan 25 2013, 01:38PM
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what about a twisted wire, or a plane reflector behind the tube, connected to the HV output as if it was the trigger of a stroboscope? pretty same design me thinks...
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Steve Conner
Fri Jan 25 2013, 01:43PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

...And the unsmoothed 100Hz rectified DC @~100A, 25V wouldn't saturate the core, or anything?
Doesn't matter. The core can't saturate until you've successfully ignited the bulb. smile

wrote ...
what about a twisted wire, or a plane reflector behind the tube, connected to the HV output as if it was the trigger of a stroboscope? pretty same design me thinks...
This gets back to my idea of just zapping it with your handy laboratory Tesla coil. smile
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Ash Small
Fri Jan 25 2013, 04:17PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

...And the unsmoothed 100Hz rectified DC @~100A, 25V wouldn't saturate the core, or anything?
Doesn't matter. The core can't saturate until you've successfully ignited the bulb. smile

That's a fair point, Steve, but if it does saturate while the bulb is lit, I assume it will get pretty hot. I'm certainly no expert in these matters, but, apart from wasting energy, how hot will it get? Might it get hot enough to damage the insulation on the 100 amp cable, for example?

I realise that 100Hz is a pretty low frequency, but I'm also aware that a 'DC component' tends to cause cores to saturate, and they can get quite hot, especially if it's got thick, 100 amp cable wrapped around it. I've no idea if this will cause problems here, though, or not.
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Steve Conner
Fri Jan 25 2013, 04:35PM
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I don't think it will get hot. The ripple frequency is so low. You lose so much energy each time you take the core once around its hysteresis loop, and you're only doing that 100 times per second in this case. If you saturated the core with a steady DC magnetic field, there would be no heat dissipation at all.

Also a ferrite rod core has a huge effective air gap, so it might not even saturate.
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Ash Small
Fri Jan 25 2013, 05:42PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

If you saturated the core with a steady DC magnetic field, there would be no heat dissipation at all.


Thanks. That's the bit I was most unsure about.
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macona
Thu Jan 31 2013, 09:37AM
macona Registered Member #3272 Joined: Mon Oct 04 2010, 11:40PM
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I put a 250 watt short arc ultra high pressure mercury lamp in my vacuum chamber to see if it would help outgas water vapor from the system. I used my tig machine to drive it and it worked very well. 75 amps is not much, you might be able to use one of the cheap harbor freight tig machines to do it. The thing you need to watch out for is the duty cycle of the welder. Many cheap machines only have a 20% duty cycle at full output.

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Ushio Mercury Lamp in vacuum chamber by macona, on Flickr
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TheAnomaly
Sat Feb 02 2013, 02:27AM
TheAnomaly Registered Member #5620 Joined: Sat Jul 07 2012, 01:41AM
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Sounds like Meatball already has a circuit in the works. We deal with arc lamps a lot in the medical industry though not nearly as powerful as 1800W.

I thought this guide was pretty good: Link2

Page 23 shows a basic schematic, igniter then boost then low voltage high current.
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