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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 03:42PM Print
StormInABottle Registered Member #9252 Joined: Fri Jan 04 2013, 06:27AM
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Voltage multipliers of all types. from cockroft walton to marx..

I love this idea Link2
I Don't think that it's output gives off PULSES

SO if any of yo guys can give me a schematic for a voltage multiplier that wont give pulses. And would make the mains voltage 220 volts about 12kv to 15 kv with atleast 30 MA
The more amps that the schematic can give me the better. max volts i would want is 20kv. and if it will pulse. Then can i use it for a SGTC with out a capacitor bank? thanks..
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Andre
Thu Jan 17 2013, 04:59PM
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Arcingnoob wrote ...

Voltage multipliers of all types. from cockroft walton to marx..

I love this idea Link2
I Don't think that it's output gives off PULSES

SO if any of yo guys can give me a schematic for a voltage multiplier that wont give pulses. And would make the mains voltage 220 volts about 12kv to 15 kv with atleast 30 MA
The more amps that the schematic can give me the better. max volts i would want is 20kv. and if it will pulse. Then can i use it for a SGTC with out a capacitor bank? thanks..


you can build a transformer with 200 turns on the primary and 22000 turns on the secondary, that would give you a 20kv pulse,
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Ash Small
Thu Jan 17 2013, 05:02PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Two points, first, CW multipliers become very inefficient with more than ~15 stages, so 12kV from a 240V supply probably won't be possible.

Secondly, if I understand what you mean by 'pulses', the way to avoid this and get a smoother output is to use a high value resistor on the output, but I'm not sure this answers your question.
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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 05:37PM
StormInABottle Registered Member #9252 Joined: Fri Jan 04 2013, 06:27AM
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Uh.. with pulsed i mean like.. The output if we chose to short it. it would make sparks
like

TIK TIK TIK TIK TIK

BUT WHAT i want. is like

teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

A arc not a spark.

What about a MOT with no ballast at the input? how much juice could i get outta the other side?
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Ash Small
Thu Jan 17 2013, 05:52PM
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You should get ~2kV from an MOT. In the microwave oven the voltage is doubled by the MOC (microwave oven capacitor) and MOD (microwave oven diode.

If you were to use MOC's and MOD's to construct the CW multiplier it should work quite well, I guess.

You would need a high value resistor on the output of the CW multiplier to get your 'teeeeeeeeeeeeeek'.
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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 05:57PM
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You mean get a arc? also btw. how much 'd i need?


to get like lets say..15-12 kv. And how much current would come with it? also would ballasting the MOT be needed
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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 06:05PM
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I got 2 10 K OHM 2 watt resistors. 'd those work
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Ash Small
Thu Jan 17 2013, 08:31PM
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Well, you'd need a six stage doubler to get ~12kV, you wouldn't need ballast as you are powering a multiplier, not drawing arcs straight from the MOT. Assuming it's a 1kW MOT, you'd get a theoretical maximum of ~80mA, I think, but it would be less than this, due to inefficiencies/losses. It would also depend on capacitor values.

I think you'd need much higher value and higher power resistors, probably in the M Ohm range, to get a continuous arc. Maybe someone else can go into more detail here?
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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 09:00PM
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I 'd be probably drawing arcs AND powering a tesla coil too.. Also can i make my own ballast no just short another mots secondary.. Cause i will be buying new mots. and those are so friggin expensive
and my mot will be a 750 watts
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StormInABottle
Thu Jan 17 2013, 09:06PM
StormInABottle Registered Member #9252 Joined: Fri Jan 04 2013, 06:27AM
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Also i heard there was something called a voltage tripler or quadripler .. idk. just instead of x2 the voltage it x3 or x4. That 'd be better?
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