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So I found this on the internet... Hundreds of levitating balls!

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Legit_bacon
Mon Nov 12 2012, 08:35AM Print
Legit_bacon Registered Member #4034 Joined: Thu Jul 28 2011, 10:41PM
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Can anyone guess how they did it exactly? Keeping the ones at the bottom seemingly under a stronger field than the top ones?
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Pinky's Brain
Mon Nov 12 2012, 11:26AM
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Better question ... why bother CGI'ing something like this?

To actually do it you would need a control circuit inside the balls to counteract the magnetic field somehow when it gets to a given strength ... otherwise because of squared laws it's just going to fly up and hit the magnet. Would winding a coil around an iron core and switching it in series with a capacitor work to create an out of phase magnetic field and let gravity take over again?
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BigBad
Mon Nov 12 2012, 04:14PM
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I'm virtually completely certain it's CGI, the fountain is not physically plausible to me.

Also the company doing it is a video company not an engineering company.
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Ash Small
Mon Nov 12 2012, 04:48PM
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BigBad wrote ...

I'm virtually completely certain it's CGI, the fountain is not physically plausible to me.


I agree.
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Pinky's Brain
Mon Nov 12 2012, 05:59PM
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That's not a very interesting discussion though ... it's CGI, but is it theoretically possible?

Use an AC electromagnet. Use a powdered iron core with a coil wound on it and at a given induced voltage temporarily put a capacitor in parallel to the coil ... as far as I can see this should decrease the attraction to the electromagnet.
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Coronafix
Mon Nov 12 2012, 09:46PM
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Definitely CGI as the field would be playing havoc with the computer they're using and nothing else in the room is moving towards the magnet.
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BigBad
Mon Nov 12 2012, 09:50PM
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For repulsive levitation iron cores are a bit of a pain; the permeability tends to turn them into attractive magnets.

To use iron cores you have to saturate the iron; which takes a couple of teslas.

They're also not so very great when you have attractive levitation; the iron tends to make the force/distance curve quite steep.

The nearest thing I know to this is the space fountain, but I believe that project failed due to lack of energy efficiency.
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Josh Campbell
Tue Nov 13 2012, 05:41PM
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+1 Vote for fake.

Look at the board she pulls out of the ball. Why would you put a connector on a board to connect to something on the same board especially when the "thing" needs to fly. The connector isn't used for the little "screw electromagnet" that's soldered directly to the board. And a programing header would not have something plugged in like that.

Also magnetic field strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the two objects. If the device in the ball can be lifted an inch away by a the electromagnet, it would take nine times the tesla to lift the ball at a distance of three inches (3^2). Those big junk yard magnets would suck up massive current to be able to lift an object that far away (made for holding, not pulling from long distances) which could not be supplied by the dinky cables they have running up to it.

And it looks like the CGI gurus forgot the ball shadows.
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Steve Conner
Tue Nov 13 2012, 08:22PM
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Yup, looks like a load of balls to me. :D
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Legit_bacon
Wed Nov 14 2012, 01:11AM
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Hmm i had my suspicions, yeah does look like CGI now that you point it out.
But that still raises the question; Is it possible? Id be keen to try to scale something like this down. But any ideas as to how to do it? The physics behind making something more attracted further away for a field than up close?
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