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Chip Fixes
Sat Nov 10 2012, 12:04AM Print
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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So I built an Ionocraft in my dorm room today but it doesn't fly. I'm using a flyback transformer from an old TV which is driven by a 555 timer. That part works fine. the Ionocraft is built from cardboard, a couple pen pieces, and aluminum foil. I followed this diagram Link2 but moved the wire down to about 10mm (far enough away to where it would not arc to the aluminum foil).


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Bjørn
Sat Nov 10 2012, 01:04AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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My first impression is that it is too heavy. You should replace your pens with paper, balsa wood or drinking straws.

Have a look at this design that is known to work Link2
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Patrick
Sat Nov 10 2012, 02:09AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ive built many of these since 1996, yours appears to be to heavy and it should be smoother not wrinkiled up, 10mm and a powerful HVPS should make it leviatate if its light enough, thats the disadvandtage of the trinagle plate type, instead of the grid-screen type.
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Chip Fixes
Sat Nov 10 2012, 04:24AM
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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Ah, thank you! I will try the drinking straws one
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Patrick
Sat Nov 10 2012, 04:48AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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what are your wire supports made of? 10mm of standoff may mean to little voltGE...
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Conundrum
Sat Nov 10 2012, 06:26AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Yeah, its probably generating corona instead of ion movement.

I used a 25mm gap for mine, interestingly the triangle "Cheops" one failed yet the old style triangular one with Al foil plates worked.

It is also worth mentioning that these are very sensitive to dampness in the wood, it is a good idea to insulate the wire edges with a piece of drinking straw on each.

A worthwhile addition is to measure the input current on the converter, if it suddenly jumps up from say a stable 1.2A to 2A when you plug in the Lifter then there is probably a leak somewhere.

-A
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Patrick
Sat Nov 10 2012, 06:40AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Counter ion-current neutralizes any thrust.
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Patrick
Sat Nov 17 2012, 07:45AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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got mine out of storage:


1353138345 2431 FT146362 Lifter
Made it out of 0.5mm carbon fiber rods, and it wheighs just 7 grams!!! triangle, 12 inches on each side.
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