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Thoughts on DRSSTC primary capacitor value

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Paul Benham
Fri Nov 09 2012, 08:30PM Print
Paul Benham Registered Member #570 Joined: Wed Mar 07 2007, 03:41PM
Location: Winchester Uk
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Hi All,

What are peoples thoughts on selecting a capacitor value? High or low impedance? I know a lot will depend on size of coil, IGBT's, coupling etc. For instance, if I have a coil running at 40kHz:-

If I use a 0.2uF at 1200A peak it will develop 23.9kV across the capacitor = 28.6MVA

If I use a 0.3uF capacitor it will develop 15.9kV = 19.1MVA

The energy will transfer to the toroid and produce sparks, but which would be better? I think I may have to simulate it looking at the number of cycles to get to 1200A versus coupling and streamer load.

My thinking is that the smaller capacitor is better as it has a greater reactive power level, but perhaps it takes longer to ring up so ends up less efficient.

Maybe there is no right or wrong answer!

Cheers,

Paul.
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Steve Conner
Sat Nov 10 2012, 03:01PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Hi Paul

I design for a loaded Q of 10. In other words I choose the capacitor so that when the tank circuit has rung up to the current I want, the peak voltage across the capacitor is 10*4/pi times the inverter's DC bus voltage.

To find out what primary current I want, I start with the desired spark length, then use John Freau's formula to get the required average power. I then calculate peak power assuming something like a 250us burst at a 100PPS repetition rate. Primary current is just peak power divided by DC bus voltage, give or take some 4/pis and sqrt(2)s.
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zzz_julian_zzz
Mon Nov 12 2012, 03:00AM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
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Hi Dr. Conner,

Can you make a more detailed procedure of how you do it? smile Im sure everyone will be interested in your approach. Thanks!

How do we relate the average (Power input) and/to the peak power in the primary circuits?
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Paul Benham
Mon Nov 12 2012, 06:46PM
Paul Benham Registered Member #570 Joined: Wed Mar 07 2007, 03:41PM
Location: Winchester Uk
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the insights.

After further calculations I can see that in practice I am limited by the cost of the capacitors. As a result I will run with 152nF (that is what I can build up at the moment) and limit the primary current to 500A. I doubt I'll ever get to 1200A unless I get bucket loads more capacitors.

So if anyone should want to sell any... tongue

Cheers,

Paul.



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Steve Conner
Mon Nov 12 2012, 08:56PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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My DRSSTC that you saw at Derby uses 94nF, two strings of 10 0.47uF 1000V caps.

I've just bought 15 kilos worth of surplus GTO snubber caps to make a 0.75uF cap bank rated at 32kV and 5000A peak. cheesey
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