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Low voltage transformers with high voltage isolation

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klugesmith
Thu Nov 01 2012, 02:00AM Print
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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I stumbled on this illustrative example: Link2

5v

It provides 7.5 volts at 53 amps for, presumably, the filament of a great big rectifier tube.
The secondary is isolated for a working voltage of
7000 volts DC
plus 7000 volts AC
plus 400 volts at 5 MHz.

I'm guessing that it's meant to be used dry, but could hold off a lot more high voltage if immersed in oil. Filling the oil tank under vacuum would not add much -- there are no high potential differences within the primary or secondary coil, and not much in the space between them to trap air.
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Proud Mary
Thu Nov 01 2012, 07:59PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I have several small isolation transformers for use in low voltage floating power supplies that can hold off up to about 3kV. The windings are encased in orange epoxy blocks into which laminate cores are secured with copper-plated straps.
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Patrick
Thu Nov 01 2012, 09:17PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Are these used by the power company, when they need remote instruments powered by the line thery're monitoring? or radio transmission? 7.5 volts at 53 amps must mean tube heating... it would be odd used any other way....
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teravolt
Thu Nov 01 2012, 09:38PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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it may be used as a grounded grid amplifier
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Patrick
Fri Nov 02 2012, 02:16AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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teravolt wrote ...

it may be used as a grounded grid amplifier
Ooooo... very possibly Teravolt! good thinking.
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Electra
Fri Nov 02 2012, 11:35PM
Electra Registered Member #816 Joined: Sun Jun 03 2007, 07:29PM
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Kind of reminds me of something like a picture of an Austin ring transformer I seen, but for high current and low voltage. I guess low capacitance from secondary to primary or ground, must have needed such a large air space.

I agree you could make an oil filled version to obtain a much greater isolation voltage, maybe for powering some measuring sensors floating at some silly voltage above ground like on the output of a big voltage multiplier cascade.

Aside from its original purpose, I guess it’s one of those solution looking for a use thingies, unless you have some ideas.
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Newton Brawn
Sat Nov 03 2012, 03:54PM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Yes, the first idea in my mind was a ground grid amplifier.

Them I remember the low capacitance transformers used to couple 60Hz voltage in the broadcast transmiting towers. The 60Hz voltage is to feed the red lights in the tower, airbone lights. The tower 5/8 wave lenght is fed with RF.

Im sure ha the construction is to provide high insulation, very low secondary capacitance.

What is the primary coil data ?
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Bored Chemist
Sun Nov 04 2012, 01:15PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Nice if you can get them. If I was trying to do that I'd probably get a motor, a low voltage generator and an insulating shaft to couple them together with.
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klugesmith
Mon Nov 05 2012, 10:23PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Bored Chemist wrote ...
Nice if you can get them. If I was trying to do that I'd probably get a motor, a low voltage generator and an insulating shaft to couple them together with.
That's another way to get the job done. Here's one amateur motor-generator project designed for high voltage isolation, so far used up to 11 kV.


Blender

The first follow-up post at Link2 shows a Faraday cage where human operator and instruments can work 750 kV above ground. Power comes from a three-story-high insulating shaft turned by a 5 HP motor.
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