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Ash Small
Sun Oct 21 2012, 07:38PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Well, ideally, you want to draw it out of the varnish vertically, so you don't get any 'blobs' on the underside, (and you get an even coat), then dry it, then wind it onto a spool, or whatever.

If you just dunk the spool, then let it dry, it will just set into a useless lump of wire and varnish.

You may be able to do a length at a time by submerging, say, 20-30" in varnish outside under an upstairs window, then using a piece of string suspended from the window, pull it up and let it dry (you may be able to do a whole spool by this method, a length at a time)

It needs to be near vertical while it dries to get an even coat.
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BigBad
Thu Oct 25 2012, 04:35PM
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One thing people haven't explicitly mentioned:

at best, magnetic pressure goes as the SQUARE of the field strength

but so do the I^2 R losses (since field is proportional to current)

And you get the same resistivity losses with lots of thin wires or lots of thick wires, if the fill ratio is the same.

So you want the minimum R for your coil, maximum conductor, minimum resistivity, but then eventually you run out of space (i.e. theoretically 100% fill ratio). Adding extra coil further and further away from the projectile helps less and less.

And the big gotcha for coil guns is that the magnetic pressure doesn't usually go as a square on field strength, but only linearly, at least once the projectile saturates; so in that case you're going to be better off running a lower, more optimal, current (but still filling the space with copper as much as possible to reduce R), at least if you want efficiency, or you can run high current, and then let the coil cool off afterwards and accept the low efficiency.

edit: actually the force goes as the product of the two magnetic fields, if the projectile is soft in the regime you're working, then it's a square law, if the projectile is hard then it's just the product.
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Yanom
Sun Oct 28 2012, 02:53PM
Yanom Registered Member #4659 Joined: Sun Apr 29 2012, 06:14PM
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so lower current coils ARE better? this is why we have multistage coilguns - because many low current coils are better than one high current coil?
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Oct 28 2012, 03:20PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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With one big coil most of the coil at any given time is just burning power for the most part ... it doesn't matter if turns are far away from the slug radially or laterally, the farther they are away the less useful they are.
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BigBad
Sun Oct 28 2012, 06:22PM
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Yanom wrote ...

so lower current coils ARE better? this is why we have multistage coilguns - because many low current coils are better than one high current coil?
I think for efficiency, if you're using iron projectiles, you want to just saturate, running above that, the efficiency drops way off.

Doing that also means you can potentially usefully run with external iron I suppose.
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