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dex
Fri Sept 21 2012, 09:35AM Print
dex Registered Member #2566 Joined: Wed Dec 23 2009, 05:52PM
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Ordinary magnifier configuration.
Consider situation when sparks from the top of extra coil strike "transmission line" .
Question :
How can air gap ,between secondary and primary coil, withstand involved HV spikes?

Drawing: Link2

The situation isn't rare during magnifier runs but I don't remember anyone has ever reported observing problem of this kind.

Please,give explanation.
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Coronafix
Fri Sept 21 2012, 09:59AM
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As long as a good ground is present, the spark will want to travel that extra distance to zero potential.
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dex
Fri Sept 21 2012, 10:13AM
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Coronafix wrote ...

As long as a good ground is present, the spark will want to travel that extra distance to zero potential.
Yes,I agree. But in the case described above that extra distance (the gap between top of primary and top of secondary) remains unbroken by spark.And that's the puzzle :)
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Shrad
Fri Sept 21 2012, 12:23PM
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a stationary wave in the transmission line maybe?
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Sept 21 2012, 01:05PM
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I would say it depends on the voltages and capacitances... If the secondary topload+transmission line have a relatively high capacitance, the voltage pulse would not be so high.
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Steve Conner
Fri Sept 21 2012, 01:30PM
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Yes, I agree, the secondary and transmission line probably have a much higher capacitance to ground than the topload does.
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dex
Fri Sept 21 2012, 01:44PM
dex Registered Member #2566 Joined: Wed Dec 23 2009, 05:52PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

Yes, I agree, the secondary and transmission line probably have a much higher capacitance to ground than the topload does.
Not often.In many designs of a magnifier they are comparable.
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Steve Conner
Fri Sept 21 2012, 02:07PM
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Maybe those designs have problems with arcing between primary and secondary, but nobody wrote about it. tongue
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dex
Fri Sept 21 2012, 03:15PM
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Well,who knows.But I doubt.Never heard/read someone complaining regarding the problem.
Problem of isolation ( breakdown ) between primary and secondary is reportedly present only during the phase of energy transfer from primary to HV circuit(s).Strange that these voltages are higher than these caused by a long spark direct strike.
Tertiary toploads can be comparatively very big :
Link2
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dex
Sat Sept 22 2012, 08:32AM
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I guess HV spikes are much smaller than expected due to other reasons.
For example,consider spark from a big DRSSTC striking a smaller coil (5-6x smaller) , or striking just small electrode on short insulator support : Link2

Do you expect the *gap* to be broken down?
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