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ZakWolf
Thu Aug 16 2012, 01:48PM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Hey I did a light search about my question on here and couldn't find anything.

I have built a slayer exciter and I was wonder how people light up leds ? I see so many videos but I just cant figure it out.

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Are they using diodes?

Lastly how could i use a receiving coil to power a dc device? ie. absorb the ambient field and convert it to dc for a light bulb or small dc fan?

thanks
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Sigurthr
Thu Aug 16 2012, 01:59PM
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LED's ARE diodes. They do the rectification themselves. They are, however, succeptible to reverse breakdown (and destruction) because they are not intended to withstand large reverse voltages.

I've never built a slayer exciter (I went right to full on SSTCing) so I don't know the field strengths and RF voltages present, but you could always put a fast diode with high voltage rating in series with the LED to prevent reverse breakdown of the LEDs.

Remember that output power cannot exceed input power, so given the step up in voltage and losses involved you cannot hope to draw very much current from the RF field. Gasseous discharge lights work so well because the RF field directly excites the gas, very very little current is needed to light to even full brightness. Once you start trying other forms of loads you'll find that there isn't a whole lot of energy to draw upon. I've seen wireless power transfer done effectively with a tuned parallel LC receiver feeding a full wave rectifier with LOADS of filter/energy storage capacitance, but there is still a good amount of loss involved. Remember, the output coil emits RF in a nearly omnidirectional manner, so you would need a spherical receiver that completely encapsulates the Rf field to recover most of the energy. If you use a sufficiently large receiver, you might get 2pi coverage at best - for half the total power.
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ZakWolf
Thu Aug 16 2012, 11:15PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Sigurthr wrote ...

LED's ARE diodes. They do the rectification themselves. They are, however, succeptible to reverse breakdown (and destruction) because they are not intended to withstand large reverse voltages.

I've never built a slayer exciter (I went right to full on SSTCing) so I don't know the field strengths and RF voltages present, but you could always put a fast diode with high voltage rating in series with the LED to prevent reverse breakdown of the LEDs.

Remember that output power cannot exceed input power, so given the step up in voltage and losses involved you cannot hope to draw very much current from the RF field. Gasseous discharge lights work so well because the RF field directly excites the gas, very very little current is needed to light to even full brightness. Once you start trying other forms of loads you'll find that there isn't a whole lot of energy to draw upon. I've seen wireless power transfer done effectively with a tuned parallel LC receiver feeding a full wave rectifier with LOADS of filter/energy storage capacitance, but there is still a good amount of loss involved. Remember, the output coil emits RF in a nearly omnidirectional manner, so you would need a spherical receiver that completely encapsulates the Rf field to recover most of the energy. If you use a sufficiently large receiver, you might get 2pi coverage at best - for half the total power.

Thank you

Im still a little confused (really tired too first day of school), so what is the actual configuration.
"but you could always put a fast diode with high voltage rating in series with the LED"
Am i using two hv diodes on each leg of the LED and then connecting them together? Horrible paint drawing
1345158904 3114 FT143380 Diode
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Sigurthr
Fri Aug 17 2012, 01:50PM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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You could just be super confused, but I think you need to study basic electronics theory/designs a bit before you move on to building RF circuits. Forgive me if you are just confused.

There must ALWAYS be a return path for current for any transfer of energy. That return path doesn't have to be a wire, but it always has to be there in some form. There is no return path in your drawing and one of the diodes is reverse biased (backwards). You didn't draw in your receiver coil either, you will need one; you can't just place an LED in the RF field and hope to get enough power to light it.

For half wave rectification the single Diode should be forward biased in series with the LED (also forward biased), and the LED's cathode to the other end of the receiver coil. Again it is important the fast diode has a blocking voltage high enough that it will not avalanche under operation.

If I were building the circuit I would do as I stated earlier:
Parallel LC circuit tuned to the resonant frequency of the exciter/TC using a large diameter receiver coil as the inductor and polypropylene foil cap(s) as the capacitor feeding a full wave bridge rectifier made of high voltage schottky diodes which then feeds a suitable low-pass filter capacitor across the + and - rails to smooth out the pulses. This then feeds the load (whatever that may be) which is connected across the filter capacitor.
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ZakWolf
Fri Aug 17 2012, 02:32PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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Thank you for you help, I understand now
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