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BigBad
Fri Aug 03 2012, 09:13PM Print
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I must admit, I was mildly underwhelmed, people have done this before. (for example)

OTOH I suddenly realised, it many cases you can lift the floor boards and have access from above, and what this means is that you don't need to drill a hole through the ceiling, and you can put the lights wherever you want, and even move them around if you don't like them where they are.

Incidentally, the obvious problem with the maglev, where it falls down if the power fails, you can design the field so that it's stable vertically, and unstable laterally (stabilised by electromagnets). So if the power fails it moves sideways and sticks to the ceiling. It ought to be possible, with care, to make it levitate again if the power comes back.

But then I realised that you don't really need the maglev, just use magnets to stick the light to the ceiling, the wireless power is the most useful feature.

Anyway, I thought it was cute and perhaps marginally useful.
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Avalanche
Fri Aug 03 2012, 10:32PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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Haha that's simply fantastic

All that time I've wasted fitting ceiling roses cheesey

Only problem I see - you go to switch it off, and

*thud*
... "what the hell was that?" ...
"I don't know, switch the light on and see" ...
"Hey, it won't switch back on...?"
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Mads Barnkob
Fri Aug 03 2012, 10:33PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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It is indeed a cute little floating LED you got there, almost makes me throw myself into another project for the pile ;)
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BigBad
Fri Aug 03 2012, 10:41PM
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You could probably do it with a proper fluorescent bulb, they're only 10W or so these days, and it's only 10mm range.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Aug 04 2012, 02:53PM
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wrote ...

Only problem I see - you go to switch it off
You could make the stable location be against the ceiling (ie. put a big permanent magnet in the ceiling).
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BigBad
Sat Aug 04 2012, 03:37PM
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I was trying to work out what the circuit is to wirelessly drive a CFL.

First stab involved numerous regulators and inverters.

After more thought it looks like you more or less just need an electronic ballast on the live side and a couple of coils either side of the ceiling maybe a transformer or capacitor or two.
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BigBad
Sat Aug 04 2012, 03:43PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

wrote ...

Only problem I see - you go to switch it off
You could make the stable location be against the ceiling (ie. put a big permanent magnet in the ceiling).
You presumably want the bulb to be balanced on a permanent magnet and then stabilised with as small amount of power as possible.

The obvious way to do that is to put the magnet above the bulb.

Trouble is, when the power fails, it will fall down half the time if you do that.

One trick is to have 3 or more attractive magnets each above and to the side of the bulb, in such a way that when the bulb falls downwards, the geometry changes so that the attraction increases.

You can magnetically do that, but it's unstable sideways; so you have a control system to keep it centered; when power fails it moves sideways and then sticks to the ceiling.

Another way would be to have some system that detects the powerfail and yanks the bulb up to the ceiling.

Or... you could do the easy thing and not levitate it and just use magnets to stick it to the ceiling.
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radiotech
Tue Aug 07 2012, 12:22AM
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Being a dullard, easily confused by cardboard boxes, where, and how strong are the
positioning magnets and what is the mass of the floating lamp deck ?
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josh1234
Tue Aug 07 2012, 11:17AM
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please could you post a circuit diagram for it
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BigBad
Tue Aug 07 2012, 03:37PM
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Sorry, that levitation vid thing is not my project; I just thought it was cute and on topic I don't have those circuits, you'd have to ask the guy that did it.
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