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Mads Barnkob

Fri Aug 03 2012, 08:06PM

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This all sounds like Moon

Avalanche

Fri Aug 03 2012, 10:26PM

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EasternVoltageResearch wrote ...

If we lived forever, no one would care to doing really anything.

When I read that, I imagined everyone sitting around smoking cigars, 24/7. All conversation would consist entirely of one word = "whatever"

Maybe I've had too many beers and should call it a night...

DrZoidberg

Sat Aug 04 2012, 07:55AM

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Steve Conner wrote ...

Uspring wrote ...

Would that be a person just looking and acting like myself or would it be me?

What's the difference?

Imagine instead of flying to some other country you could just "beam" there. It wouldn't work like in Star Trek though but use a more crude approach. There would be cloning facillities in all major cities around the world. They are able to "print" a human body within a few hours. So if you want to travel somewhere you simply tell the cloning facility at your destination to make a copy of you and then you upload the contents of your brain into that new body. Afterwards you get killed.
If a copy of you is you then that would be a perfectly viable way of traveling, would it? It would also be a great way of curing any disease. In fact it is quite similar to beaming in Star Trek. There the original body is also destroyed and a new one created out of different atoms at the destination.

Uspring

Sat Aug 04 2012, 05:46PM

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Myke wrote:

Say you were asleep when the process happened. You would wake up and see yourself next to you or something but you wouldn't be able to tell who was the original, again, unless someone told you.

So you (the original) wake up in the morning and find a clone of yourself sleeping in the bed beside you. In comes a man with a gun in his hand.

"I'm sorry to inform you that there was an administrative error. There must not be 2 of you. I have to kill one of you."

So you say, being a nice guy:

"No problem, go ahead and shoot me. I know my clone is an exact duplicate, proven technology, and my family and friends will never know the difference. Just clean up the mess before my clone wakes up and tell him, that for administrative reasons the cloning has never even begun"

Would you act like that?

Steve Conner

Sat Aug 04 2012, 06:10PM

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Roger Penrose suggested a possible resolution for this: If consciousness is a quantum phenomenon, then as a result of the uncertainty principle, it might be impossible to clone it without destroying it.

Aren't the cells and atoms in our bodies all replaced on a regular basis anyway? Yet we all claim that it's still "me".

Ash Small

Sun Aug 05 2012, 11:35AM

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Wouldn't conventional 'cloning' be a lot simpler and cheaper?

Myke

Sun Aug 05 2012, 03:55PM

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Uspring wrote ...

Myke wrote:

Say you were asleep when the process happened. You would wake up and see yourself next to you or something but you wouldn't be able to tell who was the original, again, unless someone told you.

No but your clone would also think that they were the original. Even if they knew they were a clone, why wouldn't they insist they were the original since they are almost exactly the same as you (same memories and everything)? This sounds almost blade runner-esque.

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Sun Aug 05 2012, 05:59PM

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Steve Conner wrote:

Roger Penrose suggested a possible resolution for this: If consciousness is a quantum phenomenon, then as a result of the uncertainty principle, it might be impossible to clone it without destroying it.

I haven't looked up Penroses arguments wrt to consciousness being a quantum phenomenon. It would take a lot to convince me. Methinks that possibly consciousness can be embodied in a computer program, i.e. quantum effects don't have anything to do with it.

John Searle ("Chinese room", computers don't understand) likely wouldn't have agreed with me. Hofstadter maybe would. ("There's no difference between simulated and real intelligence")

Myke wrote:

No but your clone would also think that they were the original. Even if they knew they were a clone, why wouldn't they insist they were the original since they are almost exactly the same as you (same memories and everything)?

I agree. But why do you say no? From the perspective of the rest of the world and even from that of the clone you will stay alive. I will, of course, accept moral reasons

Chip Fixes

Mon Aug 06 2012, 03:17AM

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Hey, I found the website:

and the video outlaying their plans:

Thought you guys might be interested.

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