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Human Immortality by 2045

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Chip Fixes
Fri Aug 03 2012, 07:12AM Print
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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An interesting, albeit crazy article. Discuss!

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Uspring
Fri Aug 03 2012, 08:32AM
Uspring Registered Member #3988 Joined: Thu Jul 07 2011, 03:25PM
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A strange kind of immortality that is. Say, someone would make a perfect clone of myself down to the molecular level. Would that be a person just looking and acting like myself or would it be me?
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Steve Conner
Fri Aug 03 2012, 09:27AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Uspring wrote ...

Would that be a person just looking and acting like myself or would it be me?
What's the difference? smile
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Uspring
Fri Aug 03 2012, 11:00AM
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There would be two of me. I have a sense of uniqueness of my consciousness. Being replaced with an immortal copy of mine instead of being immortal myself doesn't quite seem the same.
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Myke
Fri Aug 03 2012, 01:08PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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If someone, in a moment, made a copy of you and copied each thing about you (down to the level of electrical signals in your neurons), there should be no known difference between you and the clone. If you weren't aware of what happened right after the cloning to differentiate yourself from the clone, you could both think you were the original unless someone told you. Say you were asleep when the process happened. You would wake up and see yourself next to you or something but you wouldn't be able to tell who was the original, again, unless someone told you.
Weird stuff but cool nonetheless. tongue

Now about virtual avatars, oh noes, the ethics of these things are going to be such nightmares if this works...
Like "death"/"killing" and stuff.
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Aug 03 2012, 03:05PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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Why would you want to be immortal? Is our mortality that makes us the goal oriented species we are today. If we lived forever, no one would care to doing really anything.
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Steve Conner
Fri Aug 03 2012, 03:48PM
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Apart from killing babies to help with the population problem. suprised
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Tetris
Fri Aug 03 2012, 06:24PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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Well, there's a documentary in Through The Wormhole that dictates just this. In the future, we'll be able to take one's brain, slice it into 20 micron thin slices, then cut it into cubes a thousand times smaller, and scan the individual synapses that make up a memory using an ion beam. Therefore, you could digitally store a copy of you, with several backups. However, in the digitized world, you'd exist as a plain consciousness. It won't be a problem if there's not power to the system. Then, you store the information into a robot avatar, which can resemble a human if you wish, yourself, even. Best part of it all is that one doesn't need large living quarters anymore, and can just power down on a chair if they get tired/need recharging. Think Futurama, like how the little rooms are in there. You could stream internet and TV directly into your brain, so you wouldn't need much space. Problem with this is the e-waste and the energy needed to make and keep the robot avatars running. What if someone decompiles a person's memory and create a programming language from it? That would be damn awesome, but so unethical at the same time, as other religious activists would protest saying "You are playing God." But one isn't creating life, one would be creating artificial intelligence. What if someone codes wrong, and then you get a deformed lady, or, like in Futurama, you get a Roberto-like (Roberto is crazy, in a recent episode, killed) robot? There are many pros and cons of this, but if I was given the chance, I'd certainly take it.
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Aug 03 2012, 07:26PM
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Whos to say thats not happening now. Maybe god is some advanced being and we are all part of his experiment. His code is simply DNA.
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radiotech
Fri Aug 03 2012, 07:44PM
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Given the nature of many involved in HV technology, could you really
turn your back on a clone of yourself ?
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