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ZVS Universal Driver Malfunctions

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Paul_J.
Wed Aug 01 2012, 03:12AM Print
Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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Hello,

I completed a quite nice looking driver about a couple weeks ago and it worked great at driving fly backs, reaching 5-6 inches with a fiery white arc. This used the 2 inductor system, IRFP260, and the standard setup. Power supply was mot rewound for 50 volts with varaic.


Today I tried induction heating. It worked quite well, heating up a bolt orange using a small 1/2 inch coil with about 14 turns, but then I made a 3/8 inch copper pipe coil, 5 turns, 6inch diameter. The latter worked quite poorly. After some time, the transistors failed, shorted source to drain.

Observations:

1. All parts of induction heater were cool to the touch
2. MOSFETS were heat sinker and air cooled (CPU heatsink cut in half)
3. MOSFETs did not suffer any explosive or fire buring type of failure


I suspect that the latter coil operated at a much too high frequency for the driver to operate correctly. I use a 2 uf cap bank. Would boosting the capacitance to 10 uf solve the problem? The inductance of the coil is too low for my meter to measure, less than 0.01 mh

Also, I have heard many stories of explosive MOSFET deaths, why didn't mine suffer the same? This has beenrepeated many times
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Aug 01 2012, 09:54AM
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Either a too high frequency or a too high current, which causes the forward voltage drop of the transistors to increase above the gate threshold voltage and then it stops oscillating and both transistors turn on.
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Dri0m
Wed Aug 01 2012, 03:27PM
Dri0m Registered Member #4497 Joined: Thu Apr 19 2012, 12:53PM
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Paul_J. wrote ...

Also, I have heard many stories of explosive MOSFET deaths, why didn't mine suffer the same? This has beenrepeated many times

Fireworks needs high current, like from 12V lead battery, i hink you had same problem, but you had to low current for explosion, and explosions are usually caused by low iductance of primary coil
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Paul_J.
Wed Aug 01 2012, 04:10PM
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Hello,

Could this be rectified by first adding capacitance to the tank and raising the voltage of the zeners? I used 12 volt zeners, as the maximum voltage is 20 volts, could I replace them with 18 volt zeners, forcing the MOSFETS to turn off?
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Microwatt
Wed Aug 01 2012, 08:27PM
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I have built zvs induction heaters before. what happened you had parasitic oscillations returning back to the gate and opening it up and blowing it out. My experience you need to build a transformer to feed into the work coil. a 1: 1.5 ratio works well.
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Paul_J.
Fri Aug 03 2012, 01:49AM
Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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Hello,

I tried MicroWatt's transformer, which only made the problem worse, and decreasing efficiency greatly.

Could the excessive forward voltage drop problem mentioned by Dr. DarK Current be rectified by the use of IGBTs? I was thinking about the HG20N60B or the 30N60, which would be better suited?

Also I have a new cap bank, comprised of 6 1uf MPK10 Wima capacitors. Is that fine?

Thanks,

Paul
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brandon3055
Fri Aug 03 2012, 05:55AM
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How many turns did you use on the transformer?
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Paul_J.
Fri Aug 03 2012, 03:46PM
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I used a 10 on the primary, 15 on te secondary, then a 5:7 ratio. The latter worked better than the former
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Microwatt
Fri Aug 03 2012, 06:39PM
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But less efficiency is way better than blowing mosfets all day long. surely electricity is not that expensive in your area.
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Paul_J.
Sat Aug 04 2012, 02:23PM
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The transformer cased more blown mosfets than without.....
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