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How to display TC's output on a scope ?

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PhilGood
Tue Jul 31 2012, 06:19PM Print
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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Hi all,

I recently got a scope and I have no clue how to display/measure a TC output...

I'm looking for something simple (no costly specialized probe). I want to display this small VTTC output.

My first idea is to build a very simple 1:1000 (adjustable up to 1:∞) capacitively coupled "probe", see below schematic.

I would start with the variable resistor (1k) cursor very close to ground and the probe at 2 meters from the coil, then slowly move the probe closer to the coil until I get a good display, then adjust the variable resistor for proper voltage.

Would this work ?

Any better suggestion is welcomed smile (and I guess there are many^^)

Imag1010
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Sulaiman
Tue Jul 31 2012, 07:17PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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that probe is in effect a series capacitance (from TC secondary to probe)
with resistance to gnd,
so the 'scope would display the differential of the TC voltage.

You need a capacitive divider.
e.g guess 0.1 pF TC-to-probe,
add 1nF capacitance to ground = 10,000:1 probe.
etc.
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Jul 31 2012, 07:33PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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Terry Fritz created a novel way to indirectly measure the voltage and current in a Tesla coil using a planar antenna.

Read about his paper here:

Link2

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Steve Conner
Tue Jul 31 2012, 07:40PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Sulaiman is right, the input impedance of the scope is capacitive at TC frequencies, so just holding the scope probe near the TC will create a capacitive divider. I've used this method often.
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PhilGood
Thu Aug 02 2012, 10:35PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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The Terry Fritz probe looks really interesting ! I'm gonna build it as soon as I get some missing parts.

Image110
But I noticed something wrong in Terry's calculations : he used "pi R^2" to calculate the surface area of a sphere, when it is "4pi R^2". We have to take this into account when calculating the probe to coil distance that gives accurate current measurements.


I built something quick and dirty (C=10nF, R=68, 75Ω cable) :

Imag1211Spacer11Imag1113

I didn't expect to accurately measure voltage or current, but just to display waveforms properly, and it did well !

Imag1213Spacer11Imag1215

Measured resonnant frequency is 1.948MHz (very close to the 1.953MHz initally calculated with TeslaMap !)

20120510

Thanks Sulaiman, Dan and Steve smile
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