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[Fixed] Staccato problem

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PhilGood
Mon Jul 02 2012, 09:11AM Print
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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Hi all,

I just built a Staccato using schematic on Steve's website and I have some trouble with it...

The Staccato seems to work fine with a pulse rate adjustable from ~2bps to 50bps.

But When I connect it to my VTTC, the coil is always ON whatever the blinking rate is.

If I disconnect the staccato, the coil turns off. Then if I apply +12V to the gate thru a 100R resistor the coil turns on, and it turns back off when I disconnect the +12V from the gate. So it seems the Triac works fine.

Weird...

Additional info :

My coil is a 572B (aka 811A) VTTC.

My Triac is a BT139-800G. It is mounted without insulation on the heatsink. A2 and heatsink are grounded and A1 is connected to the tube filament. Staccato signal is applied to the gate with reference to the ground (A2).

When I first connected the Staccato to my unplugged coil, I noticed blinking rate increased a lot (maybe because the Triac is drawing too much current). So I increased the value of R17 , I tried different values between 100R and 1K, with 220R the bps rate increases a little bit but remains within acceptable values.

Despite staccato's 0V is already grounded through the RCA cable, I had to connect it to mains ground directly, otherwise the output stays on as soon as I start applying HV to the coil. I don't like that much because it makes a ground loop.


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Thanks for your help :)


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PhilGood
Thu Jul 05 2012, 11:25AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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There were two different problems which confused me and made it a bit hard to debug:

1) I forgot one solder on Staccato board tongue

Soudur10

As the circuit seemed to work properly, I didn't checked it at first...

2) On the Triac side, I wired it improperly. I thought A1 and A2 were equivalent and could be inverted. As A2 is internally connected to Triac's case I wired A2 to the ground and A1 to the filament, allowing me to mount the Triac on heatsink without insulation. But that doesn't works, A1 must be connected to the ground.

So I used an insulated BTA16-600CW Triac properly wired and now everything works fine cheesey




The staccato allows me to run the coil for long times at 16.6bps smile
But I must keep input voltage at 200V. If I push input voltage to 250V, current jumps from 2A to 10A due to MOT's core saturation and MOT heats rather quickly (after 10 minutes or so).

Running the coil at different bps rates gives interesting effects with different spark shapes and sounds.

I noticed that with some bps rates, sparks have a smooth sound, and at some other rates they produce a little bang as if they were striking to something. You can hear that in my video. I wonder what is this due to.



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Steve Conner
Thu Jul 05 2012, 12:04PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Tres cool! shades I wonder if the bang is caused by the staccato controller misfiring, so the burst doesn't start at a zero crossing?
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PhilGood
Thu Jul 05 2012, 12:25PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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Steve Conner wrote ...

Tres cool! shades I wonder if the bang is caused by the staccato controller misfiring, so the burst doesn't start at a zero crossing?
Merci Steve cheesey
Seems to be a really relevant explanation ! Is there a way to check this without a scope ? I don't have one yet...
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2Spoons
Fri Jul 06 2012, 05:26AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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If zero-crossing is the issue you could drive the triac with something like the MOC3041 - that takes care of the zero-crossing turn on for you.
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PhilGood
Fri Jul 06 2012, 02:28PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
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Thanks 2Spoons for the suggestion smile
I will try that.

I wonder if I better have my 1 meter cable in 1 or 2, in other words have the optocoupler on staccato board or on TC ?

Moc30411

I also wonder if the Triac really needs a heatsink, it didn't seem to heat up at all even at max bps and full power.
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2Spoons
Fri Jul 06 2012, 07:29PM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
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I just thought of a potential problem with the MOC chip - it may not like the 1/2 wave 'DC' it will see at the cathode of the tube. Check the datasheet. There are many other similar devices, so if that particular one is no good ...
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