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lokeycmos
Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:13AM Print
lokeycmos Registered Member #2553 Joined: Fri Dec 18 2009, 01:36PM
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my spark gap tesla coil is getting very close to done. my question is, is there a proper procedure on tuning both the spark gap and the primary tap? do i do one before the other? what are the steps involved? thank you!
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brandon3055
Wed Jun 20 2012, 03:35AM
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You want your spark gap as big as it can be unless its a rotary and then just start adjusting the primary until you get the best streamers
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Sigurthr
Wed Jun 20 2012, 03:46AM
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Generally you set your spark gap to fire continuously at slightly less than the rated Vpk voltage of your tank capacitor, otherwise a misfiring will cause too much voltage to build up and you'll destroy your capacitor.

So, with no tank (primary and capacitor) connected set the spark gap to fire continuously, and then widen it to the point it no longer continuously fires. Now close the gap ever so slightly. If you designed/chose your capacitor correctly the gap should be set perfectly now. Hook up the tank and fire up the coil with the primary tapped either at the center or where predicted by modeling. Employ trial and error to determine the best tap location where streamers are longest.
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Tetris
Thu Jun 21 2012, 03:20AM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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Either use a formula or do trial and error if you have a crappy primary like I do. xD
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lokeycmos
Thu Jun 21 2012, 03:24AM
lokeycmos Registered Member #2553 Joined: Fri Dec 18 2009, 01:36PM
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Sigurthr wrote ...

Generally you set your spark gap to fire continuously at slightly less than the rated Vpk voltage of your tank capacitor, otherwise a misfiring will cause too much voltage to build up and you'll destroy your capacitor.

So, with no tank (primary and capacitor) connected set the spark gap to fire continuously, and then widen it to the point it no longer continuously fires. Now close the gap ever so slightly. If you designed/chose your capacitor correctly the gap should be set perfectly now. Hook up the tank and fire up the coil with the primary tapped either at the center or where predicted by modeling. Employ trial and error to determine the best tap location where streamers are longest.

the arc will pull further than it will initially jump. so when you say "widen it till it no longer continuously fires" do you mean widen it till the arc extinguishes, or do you mean widen it enough that it cant initiate an arc?
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cbfull
Thu Jun 21 2012, 02:46PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
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The spark gap determines how high the voltage can get on the capacitors before they discharge. That's all there is to it, no actual "tuning" occurs at the spark gap.

Think of the spark gap like the height of a glass. The taller the glass, the higher the water level in it has to get before it overflows. The discharge across the spark gap is like this. The capacitor(s) charge up until they overflow, and the spark gap does an excellent job of containing/controlling this overflow of charge so to speak.

This is how I would do it:

Set the gap width to something reasonable. It doesn't matter where you set it at this point but it's better not to make it too wide while you are tuning. A centimeter or less is probably good. Leave it alone for now. Don't change it again until you finish tuning (tapping) the primary.

Now you can do some actual tuning by finding the ideal tapping point in your primary. Just select a tap point, power it up, and stick with the tap point that gives you the best output at your terminal.

Now you can set your spark gap to its widest, which will put the highest voltage across your tuned primary, and thus your best output.

Does this help? I apologize if I tried to explain something you already understand.
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lokeycmos
Thu Jun 21 2012, 05:10PM
lokeycmos Registered Member #2553 Joined: Fri Dec 18 2009, 01:36PM
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cbfull wrote ...

The spark gap determines how high the voltage can get on the capacitors before they discharge. That's all there is to it, no actual "tuning" occurs at the spark gap.

Think of the spark gap like the height of a glass. The taller the glass, the higher the water level in it has to get before it overflows. The discharge across the spark gap is like this. The capacitor(s) charge up until they overflow, and the spark gap does an excellent job of containing/controlling this overflow of charge so to speak.

This is how I would do it:

Set the gap width to something reasonable. It doesn't matter where you set it at this point but it's better not to make it too wide while you are tuning. A centimeter or less is probably good. Leave it alone for now. Don't change it again until you finish tuning (tapping) the primary.

Now you can do some actual tuning by finding the ideal tapping point in your primary. Just select a tap point, power it up, and stick with the tap point that gives you the best output at your terminal.

Now you can set your spark gap to its widest, which will put the highest voltage across your tuned primary, and thus your best output.

Does this help? I apologize if I tried to explain something you already understand.
thank you! that was an excellent explanation. so basically the gap doesnt affect the tuning, it just affects how much power is dumped into the capacitor?
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Sigurthr
Thu Jun 21 2012, 11:41PM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Sorry, I should have been more specific.. you change the size of the spark gap with NO POWER ON, so yes you go by the self-striking of the arc. If it doesn't initiate on every "firing" of power turning on, it is too wide.

Right also that the spark gap only controlls how much power gets in to the coil, but it is multifaceted, as the spark itself wastes a lot of energy.
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