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what to do with such a mighty core...

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Thomas W
Thu Jun 07 2012, 10:44AM Print
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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ok, my ferrite core arrived:

1339065456 3324 FT0 Imag0065


im thinking of running it with a Full Bridge made from 2 of these:
Link2

i have little knowlage in the topic as i have never built one tongue but im sure il find my way, anyone have any tips or reccomendations?

also, winding the damn thing:
im aiming for about 20Kv or 14.4Kv, what is the best way to wind this core concidering the winding space?

the core feels abit small for 30Kva to be able to put through it,
im only aiming for about 7Kw (230v 30A) through it - will my IGBTs handle that?

Thanks,
Tom williamson
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Ash Small
Thu Jun 07 2012, 10:53AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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I've an old thread somewhere concerning volts per turn for these things (mine are very slightly larger).

Mine are only good for 2.5kW each, if I remember correctly. I'm going to sandwich two sets together to get 5kW and more volts per turn.
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Thomas W
Thu Jun 07 2012, 11:07AM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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hmm... i was told it could take 30Kva ¬_¬
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Sulaiman
Thu Jun 07 2012, 12:22PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Tom, under certain circumstances these cores MAY handle 30 kVA,
but certainly not with an eht winding which will require lots of insulation,
(consider the core as a conductor, not an insulator, check it with a dmm on Ohms range !)
in any case, where would you get a 30 kVA source, and the bridge components would cost a LOT of money.

The easiest way to wind an eht transformer is to keep the voltages as low as possible,
e.g. for 20 kV make two 10 kV windings, each with one end to earth/ground/core
so the output would be 10kV - 0 - 10kV

You will find that even a 10 kV winding at 50 to 200 kHz will need to be under oil, or VERY well potted.

When you do wind the secondaries self-capacitance will be an issue,
-wind the coils as a single layers with clearance at the ends,
at the end of each layer run the wire back along the winding (insulated from the layer below and the layer above)
before winding the next layer, that is, each layer starts at the same end of the secondary.
This reduces self-capacitance and insulation problems, I have found.
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Avalanche
Thu Jun 07 2012, 05:06PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I'd be tempted to try and do it in a modular fashion, rather than a single winding.

For some inspiration, look at this page and scroll down to the part where he makes his own winding formers out of FR4 fibreglass (with the copper etched away).

Link2

If I were doing it i'd probably try to make 4 separate formers, and wind them for say 3.6kV each. Then wind a couple more for primaries, and you can arrange them how you like on the core after potting or vacuum impregnating them, and you can easily modify the transformer just by making more formers and winding them differently. If you don't need AC for your final application you could wind for a lower voltage and use a multiplier.

Insulation will be a right pain to get right, I found that gummy brown paper worked reasonably well between each layer, then you could soak the whole thing afterwards in some kind of melted wax or liquid epoxy and it might wick it in between the layers. I've tried the brown paper but not the soaking.

Any idea what the material is?
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Thomas W
Thu Jun 07 2012, 06:42PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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what about that insulating tape Brocotts sell?
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