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1957 RGD 'Deep 17' model 'A' (405 line b/w TV)

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Ash Small
Mon May 28 2012, 06:30PM Print
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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I found this on 'Freecycle.com' this afternoon.


1338229255 3414 FT1630 Dscf0620



1338229255 3414 FT1630 Dscf0621



1338229255 3414 FT1630 Dscf0622



1338229255 3414 FT1630 Dscf0626



1338229255 3414 FT1630 Deep17


It seems this was quite an up-market tv for the day.

I'll re-post after I locate the LOPT. (That's a pretty big valve (vacuum tube) at the back there.)
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Thomas W
Mon May 28 2012, 06:33PM
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Wow! nice find :D
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Ash Small
Mon May 28 2012, 07:18PM
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Found the LOPT (just traced the HT lead back from the tube), insulation looks a bit cracked.....


1338232767 3414 FT1630 Dscf0627


I'll post again once I've delved a bit further. I'm hoping to be able to run this from the original driver circuit, as well as other drivers, so I'm trying not to damage anything, and taking my time.
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Thomas W
Fri Jul 19 2013, 05:43PM
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"a bit" is "a bit" of a understatement
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Proud Mary
Fri Jul 19 2013, 07:23PM
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I see from these data sheets that your CRT anode voltage is 12 kV - 16 kV, Replacing the LOPT will be the least of your problems in restoring the tele to full working order.

Link2

Link2

You may find this page on making a 405-line test card generator helpful: Link2
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Ash Small
Sat Jul 20 2013, 02:15PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

I see from these data sheets that your CRT anode voltage is 12 kV - 16 kV, Replacing the LOPT will be the least of your problems in restoring the tele to full working order.

Link2

Link2

You may find this page on making a 405-line test card generator helpful: Link2


Those are very interesting links, PM.

I have too many projects underway at the moment to build the 405 picture generator in the last link in the near future, but I can see that you could adapt that circuit to produce 405 line video.

If anyone else wants to take on this project, please see my post in 'Sale and Trade'.

If there are no takers, I'll probably get around to 'disecting' the LOPT at some point.
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Proud Mary
Sat Jul 20 2013, 04:05PM
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Is the EHT rectifier an EY51?
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Ash Small
Sun Jul 21 2013, 01:00PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

Is the EHT rectifier an EY51?

Yep


1374411648 3414 FT139115 Ey51


EDIT: And here's a close-up of the basket-weave pancake secondary, after picking off some of the deteriorated insulation.


1374412813 3414 FT1630 Basketweave Pancake Secondary
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Proud Mary
Sun Jul 21 2013, 03:43PM
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The pitch insulation in antique valve electroncs almost always has those shrinkage cracks. Over years of use, the considerable heat inside valve equipment drives off the more volatile fractions of the pitch, resulting in this kind of destructive shrinking and embrittlement. Age alone does not seem to have this effect, as replacement NOS LOPTs of the period can usually be installed straight from the box in restoration jobs.

LOPT failure was perhaps the most common of the major faults in televisions of the period.

EY51 was the first miniature EHT rectifier to really catch on with post-War TV designers, and its small size also allowed it to be used in HV test equipment probes.
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Ash Small
Sun Jul 21 2013, 04:11PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

The pitch insulation in antique valve electroncs almost always has those shrinkage cracks. Over years of use, the considerable heat inside valve equipment drives off the more volatile fractions of the pitch, resulting in this kind of destructive shrinking and embrittlement. Age alone does not seem to have this effect, as replacement NOS LOPTs of the period can usually be installed straight from the box in restoration jobs.

LOPT failure was perhaps the most common of the major faults in televisions of the period.

EY51 was the first miniature EHT rectifier to really catch on with post-War TV designers, and its small size also allowed it to be used in HV test equipment probes.

I imagine the insulation is similar to 'Jeffreys Marine Glue', which is used for sealing decks on traditional wooden boats. It is a mixture of bitumen, linseed oil and turps. I could probably 're-juvenate' the insulation by heating with some linseed oil and a drop of white spirit, and then re-applying it. Whether this would be sufficient is questionable, though, as the secondary may be damaged due to the failure of the insulation.
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