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simple high power non zvs duel flyback driver

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jake3085
Wed May 09 2012, 08:20AM Print
jake3085 Registered Member #4800 Joined: Wed May 09 2012, 04:23AM
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hi im new to this forum and i thought i might show off my non zvs flyback driver. it is a royer oscilator and puts out quite a lot of power here is the schematic
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this circuit did not take alot of time to build and did not cost alot to make either here are some pics of the arcs

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just make sure you use a thick gauge wire or it might end up like this
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here are some pictures of the power supply its a rewound mot and has an 20v tap 40v tap and a 60v tap and when i get some bigger transistors i will add an 80v tap cheesey
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to see videos of this arcing go to my youtube channel Link2
i have now added a second flyback and fiddled with the turns on the feedback and primary and got some awesome results

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Dr. Dark Current
Wed May 09 2012, 09:11AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi,
yes it works, but MOSFETs are probably more efficient. Do you realise that with 60 volt input, there is around 180 volt peaks on your 14 turn primary, and thus ~50 volt peaks on the 4 turn feedback winding? The E-B junction of a typical BJT breaks down at 10-15 volts, so you are most likely wasting a huge amount of power in the base. I'm surprised the transistors even survive this abuse.
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jake3085
Wed May 09 2012, 09:29AM
jake3085 Registered Member #4800 Joined: Wed May 09 2012, 04:23AM
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wow i never knew that there would be 50v on the feedback but it makes sence thats probly why im getting so much heat. is there a way i can lower the voltage on those windings would lowering the feed back turns work? and i dont think that mosfets work. would igbts work?
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Dri0m
Wed May 09 2012, 12:21PM
Dri0m Registered Member #4497 Joined: Thu Apr 19 2012, 12:53PM
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jake3085 wrote ...

wow i never knew that there would be 50v on the feedback but it makes sence thats probly why im getting so much heat. is there a way i can lower the voltage on those windings would lowering the feed back turns work?

umm, zener diodes?
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m4ge123
Wed May 09 2012, 01:01PM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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Zener diodes would probably get fried. Try using only 2 turns on the feedback coil, and if that helps try lowering to 1.
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jake3085
Wed May 09 2012, 01:21PM
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I lowered the feedback windings to two and it worker abit better but the feedback wires came loose and then the transistors went short and now im not sure if its working i havnt tested it cause im in bed now but all the wires on it are melted :( next time ill remember to make better connections lol im soon going to buy some igbts for it
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hboy007
Wed May 09 2012, 06:03PM
hboy007 Registered Member #1667 Joined: Sat Aug 30 2008, 09:57PM
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Are you sure this is "non-zvs"? I looks pretty much like a current-fed resonant push-pull converter and I bet it operates in a near zero switching mode. Just because *THE ZVS* (gosh I hate that) is implemented with MOSFETs doesn't mean no other semiconductor device can achieve zero voltage transitions.
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cbfull
Fri May 11 2012, 04:37PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
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This has been one of my favorite circuits as well. I used 2N2222 transistors, they really handled the power.

It's been a while since I've been able to tinker with my HV electronics, but I'm hoping to get back into it again before too long.
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brandon3055
Mon May 14 2012, 07:27AM
brandon3055 Registered Member #4548 Joined: Mon Apr 23 2012, 03:52AM
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cbfull wrote ...

This has been one of my favorite circuits as well. I used 2N2222 transistors, they really handled the power.

It's been a while since I've been able to tinker with my HV electronics, but I'm hoping to get back into it again before too long.

2n2222 is that a typo ?
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cbfull
Mon May 14 2012, 02:56PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
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Destroyer of mosfets wrote ...

2n2222 is that a typo ?
OMG that's not right! No way that little plastic transistor could handle the power. It has been a while sincle I messed with that circuit. I can't remember which transistor I used, it was very similar to the 2N3055 but handled much more power. This is going to bug me now until I can figure out which one it was.
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