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Marko

Thu Aug 10 2006, 11:12PM

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Yes there was research in this area. IIRC microwave based non-lethal crowd control is now available.

Generally IR lasers and higher frequency microwaves were best candidates for such 'pain-weapon' but there are still some problems like large possibility of damaging eyes or etc., and may not be too effective sometimes.

I don't think there was some pseudoscience discussion around here.

Carbon_Rod

Fri Aug 11 2006, 10:49PM

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Short-range nuclear tactical weaponry was halted under the classic US & Russian led international agreements. You will not likely find publicly available information regarding the halted programs.

Some time ago the Chinese had developed a now banned handheld weapon designed to blind hostiles with laser technology. Ooops! I stand corrected â€“ not banned.

â€œLE Systems, under the sponsorship of DARPA, developed a dazzler based on a DPSS laser, with green light output at 532 nm, essentially a souped-up version of the green laser pointers. The advantage of 532 nm wavelength lies in its ability to interact with human eye in both daylight and reduced light conditions. description; image.
SaberShot developed essentially the same system and delivers it in form factors ranging from a pen type with effective range of 200 meters, through a flashlight type effective at 500 meters, to rifle-size units effective up to 2 kilometers. description; image.
The Saber 203 dazzler or "Saber 203 Grenade Shell Laser Intruder Countermeasure System", uses a 28 mW red laser diode, mounted in a hard plastic capsule in the shape of a standard 40 mm grenade, suitable to being loaded into a M203 grenade launcher. It has an effective range of 300 meters. It is controlled via a box snapped under the launcher, and in emergency it can be quickly ejected and replaced with a grenade. It is similar to the LANL-developed optical munition, Project Perseus. Saber 203 dazzlers were used in Somalia in 1995 during the Operation United Shield. According to the Air Force, the system is also usable for law enforcement purposes.
This laser dazzler is mounted on the Chinese Type 98 Main battle tank. It is coupled with a laser radiation detector, and automatically aims for the enemy's illuminating laser designator, attempting to overwhelm its optical systems or blind the operator. See this link.
The ZM-87 Portable Laser Disturber is a Chinese electro-optic countermeasure laser device. It can blind enemy troops at up to 2 to 3 km range and temporarily blind them at up to 10 km range. See ZM-87 or this link for more information.
The Outfit DEC or Laser Dazzle Sight (LDS) is a British ship-based laser, used since the 1980s.
The PHaSR or Personnel Halting and Stimulation Response rifle was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense:
The veiling-glare laser works on ultraviolet and is designed to dazzle by causing fluorescence in the lens of the eye.â€

Marko

Sat Aug 12 2006, 10:06AM

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Nothing new about dazzlers. A bunch of developers is listed, and were even used in iraq.

Probably anyone who gets a nice pulse green nd:yag can make himself a variant of sort.

I don't think these are actually most efficient weapons, and thread has gone away from the topic.

Simon

Mon Aug 14 2006, 12:50AM

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Yes, this thread is getting very tired.

Discussion of most of the stuff here should probably be on a thread in the chatting board for alternative and non-lethal weaponry.

Let's keep this thread just for discussions of getting particles through air, although I believe it's established that it isn't practical.

Effilcdar

Sun Apr 22 2007, 09:04AM

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Two questions:
1 Do any of you know where someone explains the flaws with tesla's "death ray" beyond the typical "but thats crazy"
2 Could you use a pulse discharge such as we use for coilguns to breifly give enormous power to a laser. Star wars blaster style.

Steve Conner

Sun Apr 22 2007, 10:30AM

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1: It would have probably worked, but when it comes to shooting down planes, anti-aircraft guns and guided missiles ended up more cost-effective. The Department of Defense's new Tactical High Energy Laser is more than a little reminiscent of Tesla's death ray, in intent if not in design.

2: That's how pulsed lasers work already, STFW.

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