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Experimentonomen
Tue Feb 28 2012, 07:58PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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why complicate things with a sawtooth generator, a comparator and the drive circuitry for the pwm bit when its much simpler to just amplitude modulate the power supply with a transformer and a regular audio amplifier ?
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Patrick
Tue Feb 28 2012, 08:34PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Experimentonomen wrote ...

why complicate things with a sawtooth generator, a comparator and the drive circuitry for the pwm bit when its much simpler to just amplitude modulate the power supply with a transformer and a regular audio amplifier ?
correct me if im wrong, but isnt a linear power supply and audio amplifier a 50% efficiency at most, while at near or approaching 100% output power?

doesnt that mean big losses for relativly low sound? and is this the diffeerence between the more complicated systems others advocate for?
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Feb 28 2012, 08:43PM
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I would use a TL494.
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Experimentonomen
Tue Feb 28 2012, 08:44PM
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who cares ? plasma tweeters arent of any practical use anyways. there were a few brands that tried, liked magnat, ionophone and hill plasmatronic or whatever the name was, they all flopped.
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Platinum
Tue Feb 28 2012, 11:27PM
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So you series an extra transformer with audio input?
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Newton Brawn
Wed Feb 29 2012, 01:32AM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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A schematic diagram with bill of material will help to understand what the Sperimentonmen have done...

It appears to be similar to old amplitude modulation circuit

Regards
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Experimentonomen
Wed Feb 29 2012, 07:55AM
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Heres a schematic since noone here seem to understand my description: Link2
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Mark-H
Wed Feb 29 2012, 10:47AM
Mark-H Registered Member #607 Joined: Tue Mar 27 2007, 10:39AM
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A few years back, I posted my ZVS with the power supply modulated via a 1W amp.
The sound was not too bad in volume or clarity.
Just look for Singing musical arc / plasma flyback by VidorWolf on Youtube.
There are two videos.
Cheers.
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Experimentonomen
Wed Feb 29 2012, 11:07AM
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I tried using a series pass transistor set to pass half the supply voltage but found that replacing it with a transformer and using a regular speaker poweramp sounded much better and louder.

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Xray
Sat Mar 03 2012, 12:07AM
Xray Registered Member #3429 Joined: Sun Nov 21 2010, 02:04AM
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Experimentonomen wrote ...

I tried using a series pass transistor set to pass half the supply voltage but found that replacing it with a transformer and using a regular speaker poweramp sounded much better and louder.

Link2

Experimentonomen -- Take a look at my plasma speaker project: Link2

It uses a pass transistor in the DC power supply section as the modulator. I found that by being able to adjust the bias on the base of the transistor, it allows the transistor to operate in it's linear portion of its amplification curve. With sufficient audio drive, I can acheive 100% modulation, and the sound is not only LOUD, but is reasonably clear and distortion free. Of course, as with all plasma speakers and tweeters, it suffers response on the low end of the audio spectrum. I plan on experimenting with a different mechanical design for the arc assembly which should improve the low end response. I'll publish my new design if/when I make a significant improvement.
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