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Wed Feb 01 2012, 08:30AM Print
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
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Got this variac pretty cheap, but no-one knows what sort of power rating it has, I’m pretty sure it must be over 15amps (at 240v), possibly into the 20amp range.

What I know: weighs about 20kgs, about 350mm across (not the frame), has the strange system where the brushes run along the side of the windings, instead of the top


Dsc01571r

So can anyone give me a power rating?
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Steve Conner
Wed Feb 01 2012, 12:34PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Strewth mate, looks like a bloody monster.

15-20A is probably about right. You can try loading it up and see how hot the brush gets. If you smell the brush burning, or see smoke coming from it, that's too much current! smile
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radiotech
Wed Feb 01 2012, 06:50PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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I can't see any brush in the photo. Do they run on the inner side of the variac? If so, What's inner diameter?
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Alex M
Wed Feb 01 2012, 06:57PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Looks like a 20 amp unit ( :
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Download
Wed Feb 01 2012, 08:42PM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
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radiotech wrote ...

I can't see any brush in the photo. Do they run on the inner side of the variac? If so, What's inner diameter?


They run on the outside, you can kinda see the "skid marks" in the photo. I might have trouble measuring the diameter
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Newton Brawn
Fri Feb 03 2012, 10:34PM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Download:

1 - Carefully measure the tickness (diameter) of the winding wire, im milimeters. Lets say that you has measured the wire diameter as 2.5 mm
2 - Then calculate the wire cross section S as S=(pi/4) * d^2.
S=(3.1416 /4) * 2.5*2.5 = 4.9 mm2
3 - If the wire is copper, the allowed current could be I= 3xS, or 3x4.9 = 14.7 amper, for continous operation service.

If the you will load on the variac 2 minuts and turn off for 8 minutes ( 20% working cycle ) you may use I=6xS or 6x4.9 = 29.4 amperes... Adding a fan , and keeping the 20% cycle, you may draw 8*S amperes ...

Anothe way to use all available amperes from the variac -
Supposing that the insulation is class B, (up to 130C is allowed), one or two termistors placed inside the winding and conected with alarm in such way that the alarm rings when the temperature reach 130C. This will allow you draw more amperes without compromise the insulation or any part of the variac

Can you measure the winding wire with a caliper? An let us know the diameter ??

Regards

Newton
Edited: 6*4.9=29.4 amperes
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Tony Matt
Fri Feb 03 2012, 11:00PM
Tony Matt Registered Member #3700 Joined: Sat Feb 19 2011, 12:59PM
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Hi Dowload
Hi Newton !

In addition to the Newton comments:
Im suspecting that the variac is for 460V.
Estimate on count how many turns are in the iron core,
Measure the IRON CORE internal diameter, outside diameter and the high of the iron core. Calculate the iron core cross section.
with this information we can verify if the windig is for 230, 380, 460V or other voltage.

Tell as the dimentions !

Cheers

Tony
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Tony Matt
Fri Feb 03 2012, 11:03PM
Tony Matt Registered Member #3700 Joined: Sat Feb 19 2011, 12:59PM
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Can we have more pics? all 360 degrees pics ?
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Download
Sat Feb 04 2012, 01:50AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
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External diam approx 250mm, internal 130mm, hight 100mm.

Core area: 60x100=6000mm^2

Turns: about 320.

I don't ahve any calipers on hand, but it would be over 2mm

I'm not sure more pics will help, there is nothing on it to identify it, no nameplate, seriel number, etc. The guy I bought this from had been using it with his valve amps
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radiotech
Sat Feb 04 2012, 09:11AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Until I see the actual brushes I cant imagine it being a Variac. But with that
few turns, what frequency was it operating on?
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