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Comparing power transformer ferrite materials

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Electra
Thu Jan 26 2012, 01:27AM
Electra Registered Member #816 Joined: Sun Jun 03 2007, 07:29PM
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I agree with everyone else the N30 doesn’t look anywhere as good as the 3C90, for this.
Thought it may be similar to N27 which is still worse than 3C90,
But the N30 appears to have a very high initial permeability, so perhaps that could shed some light on what this would be typically be used for.
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Kizmo
Thu Jan 26 2012, 06:15AM
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nwm, my bad. These T65/N30 materials are meant to be used as high power chokes (common/differential mode)

That explains a lot cheesey
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Marko
Thu Jan 26 2012, 07:41AM
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Hi Kizmo,

May I ask what was in the end with those big soviet toroids you bought?

Marko
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Patrick
Thu Jan 26 2012, 07:45AM
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Kizmo wrote ...

nwm, my bad. These T65/N30 materials are meant to be used as high power chokes (common/differential mode)

That explains a lot cheesey
yep i thought so!

with power ferrites for inductors and transformers, ive always seen the traditional loss and volume graph...
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Kizmo
Thu Jan 26 2012, 08:00AM
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Dr. Dork Corrent wrote ...

Hi Kizmo,

May I ask what was in the end with those big soviet toroids you bought?

Marko


1327564795 599 FT133054 Imag0213

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Patrick
Thu Jan 26 2012, 08:26AM
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how well does you 879B work Kizmo?

mine is the older one the dial one, with only the basic LCD screen.
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Kizmo
Thu Jan 26 2012, 08:35AM
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Really well, i have nothing bad to say about it :)

(of course i dont have another same price range lcr meter to compare with but still...)
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Patrick
Thu Jan 26 2012, 09:14AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I killed my 875B with a cap that self recovered some charge after i discharged it i think it was 220 USD 3 years ago.

So ill advise you to be careful.
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Kizmo
Thu Jan 26 2012, 10:04AM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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I have learned that lesson years ago when i killed almost new Meterman 38XR with similar accident... was 300eur meter
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Steve Conner
Thu Jan 26 2012, 10:51AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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That looks awfully like a ceramic ring magnet for a loudspeaker, not a "toroid".

Kizmo, try magnetizing it with a bigass electromagnet, and see if it holds a magnetic charge. A similar coil setup to a HDD platter launcher ought to do it, but you have to use DC or a pulse that doesn't reverse. Or if you have a large neo magnet you can use that.

These magnets ought to be "anisotropic" - they only hold a charge in the direction that is used in a speaker. That would also explain the dismally low inductance for a field in the toroidal direction.
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